Do colorless mana symbols count?

Caley. You are a horrible HORRIBLE person.

I just thought you should know.

Okay. Now let me start brewing! haha.

So Birds of Paradise are fine?

Two Headed Screw You and Two Headed Screw You 2 are my first entries

Tag! and You're it!

I'm bringing aggro to the table. Burn Now, Kill Now

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/burn-now-1/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kill-now/

Links just wouldn't work so I included the URL.

I don't understand how out of all the finishers in Jarrod_0067's challenge only one went 2-0 against his decks... Out of all the decks posted I feel like several should have been at that caliber.

cops and Robbers.

I think it's very original. O.O

Im just here to Storm

Storm

Sigh linking like always half works for me well the other deck is called storm...

@Zylo cops and robbers both have instants so it doesnt work

Well damn, didn't even realize it. Putting dark rit in is so second nature. I fixed it, thanks.

are these okay?, kinda of new to all of this deck:ancient and deck:tiding

Orbrack those both have creatures.

My second submission is Doubler and Doubled

@MDragoon423 - No, only colored mana symbols count.

okay here is mine :time to burn and mill-your-mind this is an odd couple indeed

sorry please scratch my last entry I typed in the wrong deck so this is my actual entry mill-your-mind and Tiny pingers big hurt

I LOVE THIS CHALLENGE SO HARD.

seriously.

entry number 1:

twins // sniwt

entry one had to check some rulings on thsi but it should be good life gain two headed 2 and life gain two headed 1

thanks zerostatechamp for pointing out my mistake and ive fixed it now so try these :) deck:ancient, deck:tiding

try number two kept me up until 5 in the morning. oops.

here they are:

deck:seek and destroy

aaaand entry number three:

Billy and deck:jimmy

for those of you too young to remember, Billy and Jimmy were the protagonists of the Double Dragon video game / movie franchise of the late 80s.

@zerotimestatechamp. I felt the same way. Some decks had very close games. I felt that some weren't that effective against my two decks, although they may have worked great against other types of decks. As I said, one of my decks had cards with higher mana costs.

Still, I was surprised how some decks just didn't fall into place. Elves, burn and mill were easily the most predictable. I did say that those kinds of deck were allowed, but I took a couple of marks off for decks that were pretty much the standard Elf, or standard burn.

The winning deck had slivers. Even though they aren't typically creative, the way they were used in combination with fetch spells (usually to get Crystalline Sliver , which stopped me from Doom Blade ing, Terminate ing, Unsummon ing...you get the picture) gave me a hard time for my control deck, and also against my other deck.

You could argue that I didn't do a thorough enough job in the judging, but when it came down to it, I had 3 weeks to run each deck in 2x "best of three games" matches against my decks. It worked out to be an average of 5 games per deck. Putting that in perspective, there were over 90 different decks entered. Thats close on 450 games, not forgetting to mention that my internet slowed down after about the first 200. I hard to fasten things up.

Some of the decks may have done better or worse if I tested them all again. The winning deck was the deck that not only won twice against both of my decks, but didn't even let me get a win in! 2-0 both times. Some decks went 2-1, others 1-2. I marked them more or less points depending on their overall win-loss ratio.

I hope that answers your question

Sorry... Not really a question. "Query" seems like a better word

Here's my second submission:

Garfield The Cat

Jarrod_0067 thanks for the explanation. Also, thanks for taking so much of your own time to playtest. I'm sure you have plenty of important things in your own life that you need to get done.

Smother card:Imp's Mischief Counterbalance Threads of Disloyalty Inquisition of Kozilek just didn't work very well since one of the decks you used had higher cmc spells.

These are the decks that NoWai was trying to link

Im just here to Storm

Ok well here are my two decks

2 Headed giant Challenge 2 and

2 Headed giant Challenge

Ok entry 2

2 Headed giant Challenge 4 and

2 Headed giant Challenge 3

Oh wow, yeah if you target the player who doesn't have creatures that's an instant win... I think it should be banned, but that me. >.<

yeah that is sick strong. I vote ban it

ban it. Props to blueclay for finding it though.

Burn Baby Burn

Great wall of Magic

good luck to everyone

My first entry:

Empty Mind / Empty Body

Second entry

kill em all and let me sort em out

Third entry.

kill everything but they're coming back

If a permanent you control targets "you" does it effect both players on a two headed giant team?

zerotimestatechamp: first, let me say that I have been admiring your user name since I started visiting this site.

second. no. 'you' is shorthand for 'this effect's controller.' in 2HG, the players on one team are still separate entities, they just happen to have overlapping turns and a shared life total.

Support the Army These links won't work unless I un-privatize the decks. I'll do that or delete them pending the answer to my question above.

Thanks landot on both accounts. It's too bad, those decks would have been epic. I may still try to salvage the situation. I'm making them public in recognition to what could have been.

re: Telemin Performance and similar effects- The card isn't banned because playtesting generally isn't too often against each OTHER, I usually just use that as a tiebreaker if necessary.

That said, if I do play them off each other, if a deck wins through a silly Telemin Performance , I will give the deck on the wrong end of that due weight for the jankiness of the play. Plus, I'm sure lots of decks will have responses.

blueclay, the way I understand it, if anything states "you win the game" based on something that has changed in certain situation, you must also change the requirement for the win. For example in 2HG you life total starts 10 higher. Well Felidar Sovereign requires normally 40 life, which is double what you normally start with, so to compensate you must use the same calculation to find the new life total requirement. Meaning if 20X = 40, X = 2 so 30(2) = 60. Therefore if you used Felidar Sovereign in 2HG the requirement would be changed to 60 life. This is the only way to make it fair.

That's just from what I understand, I could be wrong, please let me know if I am.

@ Zylo- Ruling on Felidar Sovereign

"6/15/2010 In a Two-Headed Giant game, your life total is the same as your team's life total. As such, the ability triggers if your team has 40 or more life."

i looked it up before building my deck. Yes it is totally silly, and that is why it rocks.

Wow.. Okay, that is really dumb....

Burn Now and Kill Now

Doubler doubles Doubled

Support the army

These are my three entries. I really liked building for this challenge.

@ squire1 - Oracle has made a big mistake...

This is coming from the actual rule book of Magic on wizards: http://www.wizards.com/dci/downloads/2HG_FAQ_1May07_EN.pdf

Go to page 4 and you will read this:

"If an effect needs to know the value of an individual players life total, that effect uses the teams life total divided by two, rounded up, instead.

Example: In a Two-Headed Giant game, a team is at 17 life when a player activates Heartless Hidegetsus ability, which reads, Heartless Hidetsugu deals to each player damage equal to half that players life total, rounded down. For the purposes of this ability, each player on that team is considered to be at 9 life. Heartless Hidetsugu deals 4 damage to each of those players, for a total of 8 damage. The team will end up at 9 life.

Example: In a Two-Headed Giant game, a player controls Test of Endurance, an enchantment that reads, At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have 50 or more life, you win the game. At the beginning of your upkeep, the players team wins the game only if his or her share of the teams life total is 50 or more. The teams life total must be 99 or more for that to happen."

This would apply to Felidar Sovereign as well as it is essentially the exact same thing except it's initial requirement is 40 instead of 50, the fact that Felidar Sovereign is a creature means nothing. Also if you look, there is no oracle text for Test of Endurance .

I was wrong in my understanding, but so is the oracle...

the rules you are looking at are from 2007. The 2010 published comprehensive rulebook does not have that in there for two-headed giant. They did change the rules to two-headed giant recently. The oracle ruling is also from 2010.

If that's the case then I didn't realize how much Magic has changed in the new rules, I disagree with that ruling but it is what it is...

Some Quick 'Facts

Does anyone know how poison counters would work?

Poison counters = you get 10 and you die. Remember that if a creature has a "When it attacks/hits, defending player does something" effect, then you choose which player gets it. So you can just keep assigning poison counters to one of your two opponents until he has 10 and loses the game.

-C

vigilant-.Stasis I really wouldn't want to play against these decks together.

My second entry is just plain poisontastic! :D

Sliver Fun Or not...

Creature / allure! Infinite fun and a deck with no mana.

Legacy Sneak Two Head Primary Player

Legacy Counter Two Head Secondary Player

My Knowledge Is Power.

My entry for the challenge.

Time expires at the end of today per the challenge, but I'll take a while to grade them. You guys will probably have until Wednesday or so if you want to sneak in a late entry.

-C

Just in time!

reads above post

Nevermind then! My decks are still done though. So here ya go!

Nice deck.

Grading nearly complete. Hang in there.

Please and thank you KC!

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Getting there! Swamped with stuff! Done soon!