A Splendid Revelation to Quell the Horror
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phyrexianpotater
4 April 2011
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4 April 2011
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There has been a surprising amount of hate making its way towards the card Horrifying Revelation and is in constant comparison to Duress and, Inquisition of Kozilek. Most of the name calling and nit picking directed toward this card is pretty unjust, though. It definitely has a place in today's standard format.
Here it is:
At first glance, many may find this less appealing than Inquisition of Kozilek, which allows the caster to see their opponent's entire hand and choose any card with a mana cost 3 or less and have them discard it. Inquisition is a killer card, and is key in disrupting the ever popular Caw Blade decks, specifically by sniping out Stoneforge Mystic. Or even Duress, which allows you to remove huge bombs like Day of Judgment But here is why Horrifying Revelation should be in ANY control deck that plays black, and why sideboarding a few might be the difference between a good, and a great deck.
Take a second and think about the first part of this spell:
"Target player discards a card"
Big whoop right? Wrong. When you're playing against serious players and serious decks in which every card is part of a strategy, making the player choose what part of his hand he wants to get rid of can be incredibly stressful and throw off their concentration and game plan. Remember hearing the words "Alright Timmy, you can get ONE toy", and then spending a good hour and a half trying to decide which one you wanted because all of them seemed that important? It's like that. It's much more psychologically tolling on your opponent and can leave them thinking "I should have picked the other one!" for the rest of the game, giving a greater chance for error and letting you move in for the kill.
As for the second part of the spell:
"[target player] puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard"
Now we're talking... Imagine this: Your opponent casts Phyrexian Vatmother and you're feeling the pressure. You play Oust, sending his or her Vatmother second to the top of his or her library, so you've only bought yourself one full turn. The turn passes back to your opponent and he or she completes their turn. Now Vatmother is sitting at the top of your opponents library and the turn passes back to you. What's the answer? Horrifying Revelation. Bye-bye Phyrexian Vatmother and bye-bye card in their hand that, at that point, they really really don't want to get rid of. This sort of shake up can put your opponent on the edge.
Say you're up against Jace, the Mind Sculptor. Your opponent uses his brainstorm ability and is hesitant picking the two cards he needs to put back on top of his or her library. Chances are Horrifying Revelation will, again, pack a big punch if you have held off on playing one. If you have played one already, that will influence what cards go back to the library. Either way, you have control.
Hopefully Horrifying Revelation will start to make its way into more control decks, and find a home in many other deck types running black. It's definitely a worthy contender for the pros.
**Underdog image copyright Classic Media.
Thanks again!
masterpeez says... #3
Combined with Distant Memories , you could make your opponent pass out purely from stress. The Psychological killer deck.
April 5, 2011 1:08 a.m.
I argued that Psychic Miasma was good in a discard deck for a similar reason. During the late game, players don't need as much lands, they just want to play the bombs they have in their hand, so they'll happily discard lands. But when that means they'll get pinged twice by multiple card:Liliana's Caresses? The stress!
April 5, 2011 9:28 a.m.
I dont know whats more horrifying, the thought of playing this in Constructed or that someone thinks it's comparable to Duress and Inquisition of Kozilek
Seriously, dont play this. It might not be a big revelation, but trading a card and a mana for their worst card (plus mill one!) is not good.
April 5, 2011 12:02 p.m.
pookypuppy6 says... #7
Although I don't think Horrifying Revelation is up there with the best, as a mono-black discard player I really admire the positivity of this article. I certainly found it stressful when one of these hit Platinum Angel .
You should do more of these "underdog" type of articles. Maybe one for Vivisection , for a start... :D
April 5, 2011 2:28 p.m.
the only posible use i can see for this card is tech vs card:Sensei's Divining Top
April 5, 2011 3:49 p.m.
phyrexianpotater says... #10
i have a lot i could say, but ill just leave it to thank you for reading, and pookypuppy6 i plan on it.
April 5, 2011 5:24 p.m.
It's sort of the same stress I have when I play against Painful Quandary , the stress of winning.
April 5, 2011 7:04 p.m.
phyrexianpotater says... #12
mk hows about this. i figured i would get some heat for this, but i didnt expect people to act so ignorant. six, omgyoav, kabrazell... people like you in the magic scene are the reason people stop playing, and think that players are elitist, rude and out to do nothing but prove how stupid everyone else is. omgyoav and six.. not only are you attempting to tear down my opinion, you do it while making fun of me and my article title. like an 8 year old on the playground. thats just pathtic. unless you have a question about something ive said, or a respectful pleasant comment just keep your mouth shut because all youre doing is hurting the scene.
thank you.
April 5, 2011 7:44 p.m.
SocialistElite says... #13
The only time I have ever wanted this card is anytime my opponent uses a Mystical Tutor -esque card.
April 5, 2011 9:25 p.m.
Just voicing my opinion aswell, freedom of speech whuddup, i mean you are just being straight up rude using eloquent language to try to sound superior. I never really made it personal, unlike what you said. Don't get so defensive.
April 5, 2011 9:40 p.m.
shinichiri says... #15
Horrifying Revelation is really an amazing card. I love mill/discard because I like messing with my opponent and forcing them to choose. Nothing puts a smile on my face faster than playing Painful Quandary while having two Liliana's Caress out. I think I might have to mod my discard deck so I can play Horrifying Revelation.
Thanks for the nice insight on the psychological aspect of cards like this.
April 5, 2011 10:09 p.m.
Savage1988 says... #16
@ backyardmetal:
First off i like the article. It's nice to see that you put emphasis on the psychological aspect of the card. I think you mentioned this in a comment somewhere as well, but i can't remember where and it might've been someone else.
The problem is though, this psychological aspect is really hard to evaluate. Yes, some people will be frustrated about having to choose between their babies, but the impact this has on their playstyle is a factor you cannot rely on. I always like to think my opponents are of equal intelligence and are as much in control of their game as i am. And if you are in control, things like this will not affect you much.
Then there's another thing. You have overooked a very, if not the most important part of Duress and Inquisition of Kozilek : You get to see your opponent's 7 (assuming you play it on t1, which is usually the case).
The information gained from this is so useful that i'd probably play the cards without their discard effect.
All in all, i have to say i'm not convinced, but it was a nice read, so thanks for that.
Oh and try not to be too mad over six and omgyoav, they might not have meant it as bad as they made it sound. The internet is a poor medium when it comes to translating emotions and nuances.
Keep it up!
April 6, 2011 7:26 a.m.
umad bro?
seriously, I like your underdog concept, I just think you should look for playable cards to do ti on and who can pass up a good Horrifying Revelation joke.
also, I believe it's ignorant to pick a bad card, give a few very limited examples of it being good when other card have the same effect if not better. then get mad when you chatch some heat for it.
also, I would avoid out right name calling in the future unless your goal is a flamefest.
April 6, 2011 7:54 a.m.
Lord_Of_1234 says... #18
I think that Horrifying Revelation is a good sideboard for my discard deck I'm working on. It's all about the psychological stress that I want to induce. Thanks!
April 6, 2011 10:33 a.m.
pookypuppy6 says... #19
AAAAH! Didn't spot this before, but Horrifying Revelation combines stronger with Bloodchief Ascension than some other one-drop discard spells; on three counters, this spell actually nets an 8 life advantage rather than 4!
Even late-game when they have no cards, it still hits at least the top card in the deck and sets it off again. Sometimes, different spells work best in context! :D
April 6, 2011 11:21 a.m.
aww yes but you're forgetting that you're playing Bloodchief Ascension and Horrifying Revelation in a competitive deck. ;p
April 6, 2011 11:41 a.m.
Wow I make a joke and suddenly I'm the bane of the magic scene. You are right though, I could have elaborated. You see, Horrifying Revelation is the same as Painful Quandary in that you are giving your opponent the choice. Most of the time they'll just chose whichever option is better for them. You're right, sometimes discarding can make your opponent mess up, but good players can usually make the right choice. Horrifying revelation doesn't give you any card advantage. At least Mind Rot leaves you +1.
You mentioned the "top card to the graveyard" effect as a bonus along side cards like Oust , and against Jace, the Mind Sculptor . I haven't seen Oust in a competitive deck for some time, and B/W decks have their own set of problems. Also I don't know if it's always the case, but Jace's brainstorm ability usually reads "draw three cards, then put the worst two cards from your hand back". They'll probably be happy more than anything when they get to flip one out.
You didn't even mention all the negatives of the card, like when you hit Vengevine on top of their deck, and they discard an Obstinate Baloth into play (two very relevant cards in standard). They untap, kill you?
I mean the card is pretty bad, but it's not the worst thing in the world. A 1 mana discard spell is always worth looking at for some sort of deck that has some synergy with discarding. Unfortunately it's way outclassed by Inquisition of Kozilek , which already gives you up to 8 Duress effects. Eight! How many do you need?
To make a long story short, I'm sorry I was poking fun at your article, more content is awesome and I hope you write more in the future. I just hope you don't try to defend a pretty unplayable card with arguments like "has synergy with other cards that aren't seeing play", "will stress your opponent out", and "could get them if they don't know how to use Jace."
April 6, 2011 2:49 p.m.
KrazyCaley says... #22
Ease off, folks, just a friendly discussion here. No need to get personal.
Personally, I don't think it's a terrible card, but I do question whether it will see competitive play. The difference between "not a terrible card" and "a card worth running" is a critical one.
Oust -style effects can be useful, and certainly it's always a good time to make your opponent discard a card, but that doesn't seem to be enough to make it a card that's worth consideration in a serious deck unless it is one that uses it as part of a particular combo. It just doesn't do enough on its own.
Consider- in terms of pure card advantage, the card breaks you even, and then mills one. If you're card-advantage obsessed, like I am, this card might as well say, for purposes of pure mathematics anyway, "Target opponent mills 1. Draw a card." That just ain't gonna cut it for me, though again there are situations where it would be useful, and I think you could find the tools to combo out with this card.
April 6, 2011 3:02 p.m.
This card makes Jace, the Mind Sculptor better. -2, look at the top card.. oh, keep it on top because it's frost titan.
Horrifying Revelation , then Gruesome Encore their Frost Titan. Thanks :) U/B control wasn't already good enough.
April 6, 2011 10:07 p.m.
Double post, sorry... but note that this card says target player and not target opponent. Vengvine decks could find it useful, it could be good with necrotic ooze maybe, or maybe they are planning to bring back Tarmogoyph already. (He was a timespiralled artwork card, so they did promise to bring him back, technically.)
April 6, 2011 10:11 p.m.
While I find your points somewhat valid about the psychological effects and turn after a tutor epicness; I still can't bring myself to call it a good card.
In a draft, it's not the most horrible card to have if you are shooting for control as it still drops their hand and milling a bomb is great in draft; but, in constructed, looking at their hand is a control players dream.
By looking you will know what not to counter and what is essential to counter. It will allow you to play around Mana Leak 's and Spell Pierce s, and it will leave you no nasty surprises unless they top them. In this game, knowledge is power for a control player and revelation just doesn't do that for you.
Nice article though, please keep them up.
April 7, 2011 5:05 p.m.
I think Knowledge Pool would be a good underdog card, but I think I'm also a little bias.
April 7, 2011 9:15 p.m.
mechanistorange says... #27
I enjoyed this article as well. +1
I have tried getting this card into some of my deck builds, but it just doesn't quite get there like Inquisition and Duress do. Even card:Mire's Toll has a slight trump to this: seeing their hand (or in Mire's Toll's case, the cards equal to your swamps) and pick which they discard. Yes, this card could be gnarly (I actually won a draft round because of it; they milled their Hero of Bladehold)and yes, the card definitely isn't up to the aforementioned black discard spells.
omgyoav says... #1
It is pretty horrifying to play against a player that gets distraught over the revelation that you are running this card compared to laughing at you and moving on. When using this on an opponent who uses brainstorm you will generally be taking their lest relevant card in hand with the mill considering that is what they choose to put back. Not all cards were created equal.
April 4, 2011 9:54 p.m.