The Apprentice's Workshop - Episode 12
The Apprentice's Workshop
KrazyCaley
8 March 2013
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Welcome.
8 March 2013
1766 views
Welcome.
Today's subject is a Standard deck.
Simic Bio-Shenanigans
Standard*
SCORE: 2 | 2 COMMENTS | 2057 VIEWS
Decklist (62)
Creatures (25)
2x Fathom Mage
3x Gyre Sage
2x Thragtusk
2x Vorapede
3x Young Wolf
Land (22)
8x Forest
2x [[Hinterland Harbor
7x Island
Instant (9)
2x AEtherize
3x Bioshift
Sorcery (3)
Enchantment (3)
3x Rancor
Sideboard (15)
2x Acidic Slime
Thoughts
All right, so this deck has a clear idea and goal, which is the first thing every good deck needs. This deck wants to put +1/+1 counters on all its stuff and be able to mess with them once present, giving it flexibility and giving its Undying creatures a bunch of extra lives. With the exceptions of AEtherize, Rapid Hybridization, Thragtusk, and Rancor, every card currently in the deck cares about +1/+1 counters in one way or another! This is good dedication to the idea. Still, the deck has some problem spots.
Issues
1 - 62 cards
In a deck with 62 cards, the 2 worst cards in the deck don't need to be there and are only going to drag you down. Unless you can say with certainty that EVERY CARD IN THE DECK is of absolutely equal value to all the others across all situations, or unless you are playing with Battle of Wits, you should run a 60-card deck. This deck, too, should have 60 cards.
2 - 22 lands
22 lands is insufficient lands except for decks that top out at around 3 or 4 CMC spells. It's ESPECIALLY insufficient given that we have 62 cards. We'll need to fix this.
3 - The Mana Curve
We are heavily, heavily frontloaded in this deck. 27 of the deck's 40 spells cost 2 or less, and an astonishing 16 of those are in the 1 CMC slot. We have ZERO three-cost spells. This is somewhat worrisome, because a- We're going to have huge mana curve traffic jams, and b- We're relying entirely on +1/+1 counters to give us a decent late game; the most serious late-game bomb we have is Primordial Hydra, and to a lesser extent, Vorapede. These are fine cards, of course, but we do need to fix the mana curve. To some extent, we can get away with a wonky curve in this deck because the whole point is to evolve stuff, so we care more about a sort of "power/toughness curve" (which the deckbuilder has obviously paid careful attention to) than the mana curve, but the two are not mutually inconsistent. I think we can do better.
Worrisome Matchups
This deck does not like removal. To some extent it can live with it, because it can Rapid Hybridization its own stuff in response to removal, and of course Bioshift lets us transfer the precious +1/+1 counters from a dying creature to a healthy one. There are also plenty of nice, hardy Undying creatures. Still, wrath doesn't care about +1/+1 counters being moved or Rapid Hybridization, nor do the sacrifice spells which constitute so much removal in standard right now. We would like to find a way to protect ourselves a little bit more against our opponents' answers, if possible.
Now, with all these considerations in mind, let's consider specifics.
Trouble Cards
I consider the following cards to be suspicious.
AEtherize
This is an aggro deck. It has 25 creatures. If it finds itself in a situation where the opponent is swinging in with lots of attackers, AND it left four mana open the previous turn, the deck is probably not doing too well. This card is almost always either going to be a- useless because we have enough creatures on the board to deter our opponents from attacking entirely, or b- futile, because we are losing with or without it. Cut.
Increasing Savagery
This card isn't bad, but I'd also say that it's not sufficiently GOOD with our deck to merit a place. Strikes against it include:
a - It is begging for a kill spell to be used against its target; it invites a two-for-one. This is its primary deficiency. The fact that it is sorcery speed exacerbates this badly.
b - It's obviously good for creatures to have +1/+1 counters in this deck, and if we resolve this spell on, say, a Fathom Mage we'll be pretty psyched, but in a strange way it has a negative synergy with our deck. The target of the spell, if it's Undying, will lose its extra life, if it hasn't already, and the target of the spell, if it has evolve, will most likely never evolve again. Of course, it won't really NEED to, but if Increasing Savagery were, for instance, another creature, then it could trigger evolve, granting at least 1/5 the benefit of Increasing Savagery, while still being an additional creature. I think that's the better value.
c - This is a deck that will, hopefully, not have many opportunities to cast this card from the graveyard. Seven mana is a LOT of mana for this deck, Gyre Sage or no.
Thus, I'm cutting Increasing Savagery.
Rapid Hybridization
This is another good card that isn't good enough. We get to answer targeted removal with it, sure. We get to turn our opponents' fatties into frog lizards, and if you don't like that, you don't like Magic. And, of course, it gives us an extra opportunity to trigger evolve when used on our own stuff. But, alas, it has some problems.
1 - It is useless against wrath effects and sacrifice effects.
2 - It is filling an EXTREMELY crowded spot in the mana curve, although it will always be cast later on in a turn.
3 - It is not a firm answer for our opponents' stuff, as it gives them a 3/3, and of course is no answer for hexproof, etc., although that's hardly a major concern.
However, I know a card that 1 - stops wrath effects and sacrifice effects, 2 - Would fill a spot in the mana curve that currently has NO OTHER OCCUPANTS, and 3 - Stops any one opposing card cold, even if he has hexproof. It's called Dissipate, and it will help us BIG TIME against enemy control decks by providing just enough defense against their board sweepers to keep us going.
Cutting the Rapid Hybridization, which will eventually be replaced with Dissipate in some number.
Adding Stuff
Ok, so now that we've cut 9 cards, we have 7 slots to get to 60. 2 of these will be lands. (Adding 1 Breeding Pool and 2 Hinterland Harbor, cutting 1 Forest; reliable fixing is very important for this deck). 24 lands seem about right for this deck. 3 of these will be Dissipate.
And 2 of them I am going to use on a very interesting specimen, namely Predator Ooze, who's hard to cast and isn't particularly good at evolving us, but who keeps us nicely wrath-proof and who also provides us with a never-ending stream of +1/+1 tokens. Another possible choice for this slot would be the very-interesting Simic Manipulator, who works particularly well in this deck. Ulvenwald Bear would be an easier-to-cast, if blander choice.
Let's take a quick look at our creatures.
The Creatures
The only problem I can really see here is that everything's kind of small and we don't have TOO many big things to guarantee later evolutions. Here's a quick fix:
-3x Gyre Sage (the extra mana IS nice, but not THAT nice)
+1x Zameck Guildmage (absolutely the best creature in the deck; this one makes the rest of it REALLY dangerous)
+1x Master Biomancer (Always evolves our stuff, is really dangerous in his own right)
+1x Thragtusk (Arguably the best creature in standard).
This also has the benefit of tightening up our deck and making it run a bit more reliably.
A LOT of possible combinations of creature quantities are possible with this deck. Most likely the deckbuilder will need to playtest it a lot and add a pinch of this and subtract a dash of that until it's running perfectly. The above is just my best guess as to what might lead to smoother running.
The Sideboard
I have problems with a lot of the sideboard choices.
Remember, when you build a sideboard, for every card you put there there should be a REALLY OBVIOUS ANSWER to this question - "When do I board this in?"
Acidic Slime
Against Planeswalker-heavy decks, or decks that rely on particular permanents. Against decks with annoying lands. Keep.
Cyclonic Rift
Against tokens. Against other creature-heavy decks and reanimator decks, where we can end stalemates and board clog with this wrathish effect. Keep.
Glaring Spotlight
Against decks with a lot of removal and again, to end stalemates, but the actual primary effect isn't too important for us because now that we've cut Rapid Hybridization we don't have anything that targets our opponents' creatures. Might therefore merit cutting.
Pithing Needle
Against Planeswalkers and other activates ability nonsense. Keep.
Silklash Spider
Against fliers, I suppose? But we already have 3x Cloudfin Raptor and it's unclear that one spider, however meaty, will be enough to stop an airborne army, which we're most likely to see in a token deck, in which case, see Cyclonic Rift, which costs only two more than the spider and is dramatically more effective. Cut.
Tormod's Crypt
Against reanimator. Makes sense.
Ulvenwald Tracker
I don't know WHEN this will be particularly useful. Cut.
Yeva, Nature's Herald
Again, I'm not sure against what particular matchup this will be good. It has SOME value against control decks, against which we can flash stuff down when they're not ready, but it's a bit mana-heavy for that small benefit, although it does evolve our stuff reliably. Again, not particularly good against any matchup. Cut.
So now we have five spots if we leave Glaring Spotlight, which I view with suspicion, in. I would urge the deckbuilder to see how often he actually uses the spotlight and what value he gets out of it when he does; I am very suspicious that it won't pull its weight.
For now, though, let's fill those five slots.
What do we need help against? Control. Control kicks the crap out of us because it has wrath and counterspells and removal, all of which are things we do not like. What is good against control? Well, there's control-proof creatures, but we kind of have those already with our undying and our Predator Ooze, etc. Better is Negate. We set up a nice pretty board on our first two or three turns, then on turn 4 we sit back with our Dissipates and our Negates and we fry their Supreme Verdicts and Planeswalkers and what not. (Ed. - Yes, I know, that doesn't work against Supreme Verdict in particular. I forgot.) Then we keep building up, building up, slowly but surely, while still reserving enough mana for counterspells to protect our board. This isn't just me being me and recommending counterspells as the solution to every problem (WHICH THEY ARE), but it makes a lot of sense for a deck so sensitive to interference. +4x Negate.
This leaves 1 slot, which I allocate to another Acidic Slime. You really can never have enough Acidic Slime. I was tempted for a second to mainboard it over Thragtusk just because I resent Thragtusk's popularity so much, but then I remembered that I'm not stupid, and that Thragtusk is amazing and PARTICULARLY nasty when placed in this deck.
So now we're done! What do we look like now?
KrazyCaley's Recommended Build (60)
Creatures (27)
2x Fathom Mage
3x Thragtusk
2x Vorapede
3x Young Wolf
Land (24)
7x Forest
7x Island
Instants (6)
3x Bioshift
3x Dissipate
Enchantment (3)
3x Rancor
Sideboard (15)
4x Negate
3x Acidic Slime
That's what I think, how about you? Help our deckbuilder in the comments, if you are so inclined, or at his original deck page, here:
Simic Bio-Shenanigans
Standard*
SCORE: 2 | 2 COMMENTS | 2057 VIEWS
KrazyCaley says... #2
@ Denial048 Oh, right. I have never actually seen that spell played in standard yet, believe it or not (because I run no creatures). For some reason when I wrote this I thought it did the same thing it does, only it was counterable, and also an instant? Yeah, ignore all that. But I still think Dissipate is a good call.
March 9, 2013 2:04 a.m.
I would rather run Experiment One than Young Wolf. By the time Supreme Verdict hits it should be able to regenerate and it is more of a threat in the mid/late game.
March 9, 2013 2:31 a.m.
It will still be useful to counter lots of cards, for instance, Terminus.
Also, im going to agree with Lotex, especially in a deck focused on counters, Experiment One is a great choice. Especially if you enchant him with Forced Adaptation, guaranteed regenerate every two turns.
March 9, 2013 2:49 a.m.
The only problem with that, though, Denial048, is that once Forced Adaptation lands on anything, that card now has a painted target on its chest... especially without any kind of real draw or anything, getting 2-for-1'ed sux...
March 9, 2013 7:54 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #6
Master Biomancer should not be ran in conjunction with Undying.
If they return from death with the 3 +1/+1 counters that's fine but if you try and play Vorapede or any of the other Undying creatures after Master Biomancer is in play you absolutely hose the thing that makes those creatures so good. My recommendation? Commit one way or the other. Evolve or Undying, I have built both and am running the Undying version until it rotates out, once that happens I plug in my Master Biomancers and my other Evolve-centric cards.
March 9, 2013 9:49 a.m.
JaredMatthewsArtwork says... #7
I quit reading this as soon as I read Primordial Hydra is a fine card...
March 9, 2013 2:13 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #8
Primordial Hydra for 5?
ok, it resolves
Upkeep, Hydra goes to 10. Silverblade Paladin paired?
shiiiiiiiiit
March 9, 2013 2:58 p.m.
I don't know if it's just me and the fact that I'm largely a Johnny with Timmy seasoning, Vorthos'd to taste, but I feel like Alpha Authority could be worth a look for a deck like this. If you're worried about losing the target of your Forced Adaptation, why not protect it? (Granted, you have to stick the Authority first, and removal loves interrupting an Aura.) It also lets your chosen fighter jump to the front of the line for stomping all over your opponent while your other effects evolve it further.
March 9, 2013 8:51 p.m.
ThEdUnCeCaP says... #10
the problem is none of the cards really benefit Alpha Authority. you want alpha authority in a high power deck, and none of htese creatures really get that strong except for figuring a ton of luck evolves, and then your really pushing it.
March 9, 2013 10:57 p.m.
I'm thinking Simic Fluxmage should make an appearance in this deck also. I second the Experiment One recommendations.
March 9, 2013 11:11 p.m.
KrazyCaley says... #12
@UGplayerWillie - In THIS deck? Makes a lot of sense, given all the evolve.
March 10, 2013 4:28 a.m.
JaredMatthewsArtwork says... #13
Landgrafb: You do realize you have no mana ramp, silverblade paladin is an aggressive card, and that a hydra for 5 is needing 7 mana? This deck you're making in your head makes no sense.
KrazeyCaley: Any given fatty would be better for the evolve than hydra. He offers more shenanigans, but they're not good shenanigans.
March 10, 2013 10:44 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #14
Wolfir Avenger makes a great evolve trigger and is better, IMO, than Primordial Hydra here.
March 10, 2013 10:59 a.m.
JaredMatthewsArtwork says... #15
I think you've mentioned to someone else that other people can do content for tappedout. How would one get into that?
March 10, 2013 11:04 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #16
Talk to squire1 and then he will want an email of the finished product. (At least that's how I did it.)
March 10, 2013 11:16 a.m.
JaredMatthewsArtwork says... #17
Thanks! I've been trying to get some sort of content out there but no one ever notices blogs and with YouTube, well, I have a crappy camera.
March 10, 2013 11:23 a.m.
KrazyCaley says... #18
@UGplayerWillie - squire1 or myself can help you there. Just post on either of our walls.
March 10, 2013 7:08 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #19
Ive personally lost to that combo. Mana dorks and a farseek go a long way. And I'm not talking tournament quality decks, I'm talking 2-2 at FNM quality decks.
My aggro deck flooded out and he got a clutch paladin topdeck. It was silly.
March 10, 2013 8:02 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #20
I'd've suggested running Experiment One in the sideboard, capable of surviving wrath effects without comprimising the pressure you're meant to be applying. Plus it's the one evolve card that Bioshift cares about pre-wrath while undying creatures can handle themselves fairly well. Besides that, you have less need for evasion against a less creature-heavy deck.
Second, if you can gear sideboard options or even the mainboard to suit a tribal subtheme, to an extent, you can bypass problems with opponent's own counterspell protections with Cavern of Souls... granted that card in particular is far from a budget option but perhaps running the single you happened to pull randomly, if you did. Could help a fair amount. Besides, i played fnm this week and lost miserably to Counterflux repeatedly.
Like a lot of the other commenters, I'm not too keen on Primordial Hydra, while you were discussing the use of Increasing Savagery, Deadbridge Goliath came to mind and i was expecting you to say it seeing it's the same cost and same relative p/t boost on your side of the board, just on another body. It's a creature, it triggers evolve, if it gets killed it's still of use, and you really won't be relying heavily on that scavenge unless games drag on. Like against a control deck. And yes 6mana for it's scavenge is comparable to 7cmc on Increasing Savagery's flashback cost, but think how much harder it is for you to get to 7, drawing a card a turn, than it is to get to 6. Then again, i haven't really been playing seriously recently so how would i know :-P
March 10, 2013 9:31 p.m.
I would also change Young Wolf for Experiment One.
There are already 10 creatures that aren't more than 1/1 and there are no creature with 3 cmc that will trigger the evolve ability. For that reason, I would remove some of the 1/1 creatures to add some Elusive Krasis that are 0/4 in addition of being unblockable. Maybe I would also remove one of the Zameck Guildmage for it since having more than one on the table is useless.
March 12, 2013 11:57 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #22
That's why I run Wolfir Avenger in Everlasting Vorapede..
March 12, 2013 12:14 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #23
I saw Everlasting Vorapede. when evolve was spoiled, it's a brilliant deck IMO...
I don't put too much stock in Elusive Krasis outside of casual play, primarily because it doesn't do much unless you manage to drop creatures after dropping the krasis, by which point, in this deck, you should have deployed the majority of your offensive force. Sure it'll trigger a lot of evolve creatures by that point, but even then it would serve as little more than a beefed up wall for the following few turns, giving the opponent several opportunities to off the creature before it can even swing for it's fair share of damage.
I've found the best evolve-triggering creatures at the 3cmc mark are mainly available in Bant, though working them in would definitely tweak the deck's playstyle and theme, the creatures i'm referring to are Lyev Skyknight, Centaur Healer, Geist of Saint Traft and Loxodon Smiter, each of which fulfilling more than one role in the deck while granting some form of tempo advantage over opposing board presences. Other possibilities might include the mono-blue zombies from innistrad Skaab Ruinator or Stitched Drake though they are relatively restrictive in additional costs, the prior is almost guaranteed to trigger evolve upon entry.
Drakewing Krasis lacks the amount of utility granted by a lot of the other options you might have available to you, however, and this is going back to the whole "boardwipe survivability" argument... Wolfir Avenger somehow slipped my radar in cards i'd considered for a Simic evolve deck. It can trigger evolve as a combat trick, it IS a combat trick in itself and evades most forms of removal short of Terminus, Mutilate, Rapid Hybridization and Merciless Eviction. Another plus is that once the opponent clocks that you're leaving 3 mana open, possibly for a Dissipate, and with Wolfir Avenger not really playing a large role in standard as far as i've seen, bluffing the counter might mean that you could land the creature on the table without threat of interruption and also forcing the opponent to hold off casting their 2, 3 or even 4th turn spells. it's definitely a good thing that the guy is relatively hard to kill...
March 12, 2013 12:55 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #24
Crap, just realised you already mentioned the avenger, i thought you were on about Wolfir Silverheart
March 12, 2013 12:58 p.m.
I must say, gheridarigaaz, Wolfir Avenger is a really good idea ! It would do much better than Elusive Krasis that I have suggested...
March 27, 2013 11:09 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #26
Yea no man I'm all about Wolfir Avenger with evolve.
Denial048 says... #1
Just felt like pointing out, you suggested counterspells to help against Supreme Verdict, a wrath card that can't be countered. Currently, the best option is Regenerate creatures.
March 9, 2013 1:57 a.m.