The State of Standard #6
Current Standard
Wabbbit
21 April 2014
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21 April 2014
1462 views
Hey Tappedouters! Long time no write! I've been pretty busy of late, and I'm just starting to pick up my activity a little on T/O. The main thing I would like to discuss in this latest (and probably shortest) article I have written is what do we want this series to become? I'm going to be honest here and say that I can't commit to writing an article every week, especially since I don't have a ton of things to discuss, haha. So my question is: what should this article series become? Another showdown series? A deckbuilding workshop? A contest where users submit standard decks and we hold a standard tournament with a group of users playtesting the rounds? A community standard deck? There are plenty of options, I just need to hear from the users as to what we want this to become, if anything. If the articles don't have a big demand, then I will quit writing them.
To give you guys a little more to think about, I'll outline my possible ideas with a little more depth:
Workshop
Much like KrazyCaley's workshop articles, this would be where users submit their decks and I would randomly select one to edit and make my suggestions on. The main problem with that idea is that as semi new-ish magic player, I can't in good faith give my advice on a deck in a bigger setting such as an article. Someone like Krazy is more suited for that role.
STANDARD TOURNY
In this idea, users would submit their standard decklists to be placed into a bracket and playtested by myself and other volunteers from the community. So keep in mind that ONE person would be playing for both decks in each matchup, but different users for each matchup in the bracket. If your still confused as to what this option would entail, check out this link where I did this exact same thing but in the forums.
COMMUNITY DECK
In this idea, users would submit ideas/cards to a community deck that would eventually somehow get built. I'm not exactly sure how this would work, but after the deck is built, I would playtest our deck on cockatrice or some other way and post the results in each article and stuff like that.
SHOWDOWN
Blah blah, we all know what this is. User submit decks and I choose one to play against my current standard build.
OTHER
Please suggest other ideas as to what we could do! I'd love to hear them!
NOTHING
No one cares whether I continue doing this or not? Well, then we can end this article series.
the problem i find with the community deck is that there are way too many opinions. especially since its more of a kitchen-table kind of deck, not a FNM sort of thing. ideas will range drastically and even if you manage to pinpoint a theme, there will still be arguments about which cards are appropriate. i think a standard tourny is the route to go
April 21, 2014 2:50 a.m.
Can I just say how funny it feels seeing my series having become an "archetype" of articles on here? It boggles my mind haha :)
I would really like to see a "workshop" type thing on here, tbh. At the same time, however, I completely understand your hesitation in doing so -- I get the same way whenever i try to critique the decks I feature.
The community idea would also be pretty fun to me. I love brewing and would probably try to be an active proponent of that sort of series!
April 21, 2014 5:31 a.m.
Actually, I do have another idea that I've been thinking about doing that I wouldn't mind you using.
The idea is to create a standard deck to face another standard deck (one person for each). The twist...?
Each player has to give the opponent a color combination (I'd say 3-color or less) and then they get to "veto" 3 cards from that color-combo. For example, "Junk -- Veto: Thoughtseize , Hero's Downfall , Elspeth, Sun's Champion ."
The concept is to force players into "uncomfortable" deck-building positions that make them think beyond the norm -- to use their minds and realize what is second-best. To be able to brew up a constructed deck for battle with an imposed, inherent challenge. Thoughts?
April 21, 2014 5:36 a.m.
Ooh...
Going on Spootyone's idea, how about each article, buffy, you give all the archetypes in a Standard (at the time), and "taboo" their three best cards. Then you give it up to the users and have a tourney.
April 21, 2014 7:18 a.m.
Hmm, that would definitely be interesting. Forcing players to play more creatively. I like it, but how would it get incorporated? Into a tourny or just into a showdown series?.
April 21, 2014 9:54 a.m.
I just had a FLASH of Inspiration (it was my second card [haha]).
What if we have a DDD-like "Taboo Standard" tourney. Recruit team leaders (with MTGO), assign people to groups and have the groups choose an archetype. Then, after the groups choose archetypes, assign the Taboo cards. They'll build, import it on to MTGO, and have the groups play.
If you need help, I'd be glad to help you. Email me at [email protected] with the subject being your username and we can talk.
April 21, 2014 10:43 a.m.
If you did want to do a community deck, it would have to be YOUR decision on several things before we began to create the deck.
- COLORS
We need to know if it is a mono-colored deck (not necessarily devotion, just mono) or is it 2 colors? 3? even a possible 5-colored deck? We need specifics or everyone will just keep bickering, haha.
- FORMAT
Yes this series is currently Standard, however Modern offers A LOT more choices and I feel gives room for more creativity among the community. Hell, even EDH could be REALLY fun if you chose your colors and then picked an unusual / unpopular legendary creature we could help build a deck around. Decision, decisions.
- BUDGET
Letting us know, "Hey this will be a budget deck, so no one card can be over 'X' amount of dollars is the limit." or you can go, "Hey this is the format and there is no budget so long as it is format-legal." Letting us know in advance will help organize things a bit more.
- STYLE
If you wanted to, you can even decide what type of style to build the deck around. Competitive (as in Turn 'X' win) or is it Fun (as in creative and the potential to be Awesome). There are many options to go and informing the community as we help build the deck is very helpful.
I, for one, am completely open to joining with the community for a deck. There just needs to be established "perimeters" for the deck before entering the Construction Zone.
April 21, 2014 10:57 a.m.
I'm going to use the Kiln Fiend Izzet Blitz Modern deck as an example. This is what it would look like:
Colors: R/U
Philosophy: Get a Kiln Fiend out, cast spells like Assault Strobe , and attack for lethal
Taboo Cards (secret, save for later): Assault Strobe , Tainted Strike , Mutagenic Growth .
I'm sure there's more, but this is all I can think of off the top of my head.
April 21, 2014 11:05 a.m.
How about you create a new format and we all can put our own brewing-thirsty minds to the test and take on a new challenge?
The formats could range from anything to Commander/EDH with a Planeswalker as General all the way to completely new set of rules like the Russian Roullette format created on here awhile ago by a user. OR MAKE UP YOUR VERY OWN!
I think that would be a blast and the first article could help smooth out the rules before we begin the tourney!
April 21, 2014 11:11 a.m.
Well, I would prefer to keep this standard themed, as that's the point :p.
April 21, 2014 11:38 a.m.
@Dreno33: Just saw your first comment, I somehow overlooked it before. As to your comment, I haven't put tons of thought into the community deck idea, I mainly just wanted to see how many people wanted to do it. Your right on all your points though, we would obviously need some restrictions to the deck and such.
April 21, 2014 11:43 a.m.
Hey I am totally down for creating a new format, too (:
April 21, 2014 11:47 a.m.
This is toatally off subject (the new format wise subject) and it may have been what this series was all about, but what about giving tips about fighting the top decks of standard? Strengths, weaknesses, what makes those decks tick etc. It may be able to make tappedouters(is that even correct?) better magic players. Or even Identifying gaps in the meta that people with a taste for rouge decks can play?
April 21, 2014 12:01 p.m.
What about a standard showdown with a theme? I was thinking budget style. Like deck must be less than $ xxx. This would be great for players like me who like standard but don't want to break the bank on a deck. It would also kind of fit with the "taboo" cards theme because with a deck price limit how could you run 4 Thoughtseize ? Just an idea.
April 21, 2014 3:56 p.m.
My Standard Pauper Challenges in the past have had overwhelming amounts of submissions.
Just a thought.
April 21, 2014 8:28 p.m.
RussischerZar says... #21
TBH, the name "The State of Standard" suggest more of a current metagame rundown, what cards/decks have recently popped up as good that might have been overlooked or underplayed before.
I watch a lot of Magic coverage (e.g. SCGlive) and revel in joy each time when a homebrew(ish) deck wins in the feature match area. They most of the time do deck techs on those too. While people could just watch those, sometimes using these homebrews and improving them or giving your own spin on them could also warrant an article. Then you pit them against top-8 lists of the usual archetypes and see how the deck stands in the meta, with explanations for sideboarding etc.
That being said, the "restricted archetype" thing sounds pretty cool to me, but you should probably rename your article series then, even if you remain in Standard :)
April 22, 2014 5:49 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... #22
How about an article where we get to see a board state (screen shot from Cockatrice) and we have a competition to see who can guess "the most correct play"? This will help newcomers along with veterans and we can all collaborate together on the "correct" play.
April 22, 2014 2:38 p.m.
I have two ideas: my first is Community Showdown, where the community builds you a format deck, and then you do showdowns with it for a while :D Each new deck built can have fun and interesting restrictions (I think someone once said they breed creativity).
Second, doing a standard tournament where people have to find ways to compete in certain archetypes with budget builds, or use/not use specific cards, like has been mentioned previously.
April 22, 2014 9:17 p.m.
My vote is for tourney. I think that would be a great idea especially with the UGC wrapping up
April 22, 2014 10:01 p.m.
Also really like ntTg's idea of breaking down the biggest and baddest decks out there to explain what makes them tick and what kills em.
April 23, 2014 3:07 p.m.
I think a Standard Tournament type thing would be fun. And I might be able to help with the play testing if you did that (on Cockatrice).
April 25, 2014 1:58 a.m.
SpartanCEL says... #29
Standard tourney;)
buffy I can't figure out how you have this article separate from the normal forums? Curious
March 17, 2015 10:24 a.m.
SpartanCEL says... #30
I figured out that you can slide down the menu (I'm on mobile). So is it an upgraded thing?
BLEATH says... #1
Some sort of spin on a popular modern archetype would be cool; That is, "COMMUNITY DECK" of course.
April 21, 2014 2:23 a.m.