How would you feel about playing against Kiki-Jiki...?

Maringam If you're talking about playing against your Kiki-Jiki EDH deck at GP:DC, we are both 100% down. We'd love to meet and play with as many listeners as we can.

I don't see episode 7 on youtube. is it up? am I blind?

Gattison: Not sure what's going on with that, but I'll check it out so that it'll hopefully be up soon!

At this point in the discussion I'm 60 minutes in.

First of all, question: is it not the dream of every modern player to create a deck that catches people off-guard and make a giant splash within the Pro Tour?

To be fair, at the back of most people's mindset, when entering the Pro Tour...was playing safe, in my opinion with the older stuff: Podless Pod (Coco/Mel Chord), Infect, Affinity, etc. While the Eldrazi players came in with a game plan, as well as side deck against the older stuff, and with crazy stuff that the other percentile did not even think of decktesting.

Not to mention, for us (the non-Eldrazi players), I feel that it was so surprising to us was due to the fact original Eldrazi were always a Tier 3 deck, no matter what you do, let's be real. But with having so much better/support cards that make the archetype more seemless, it was able to bump it to Tier 1, including the use of staples like fetchlands and other staple cards, like disruption/removal cards. Very different from just ramp, ramp, even more ramp for the bigger Eldrazi leaders.

Also...it could have been worse, we could have had WotC make Slivers Tier 1/1.5 with more stupid creatures and sliver-utilities that really patch up their weaknesses. Also, Eldrazi don't have that much draw-power if you don't play blue variant Eldrazi.

In my opinion, in which I am paraphrasing what has been said is that as modern players, we love to complain. We still want modern to really matter, via Pro Tour, yet we always demand the banhammers. Hell. We want everything, but we don't want new guys in the old boys' club. Also, to be fair, as a R/G Tron player, I hardly saw any Tron with above 20+ points.

Also, I hardly saw more than a handful of people actually having side-decked against Eldrazi, and if theu did, it was probably the Black/White Eldrazi variant that we saw at the smaller, but noticeable tournaments.

What are the side decks that normal, non-Eldrazi players would side deck against? Vs Affinity: Stony Silence, hand disruptions, Artifact hate via green, Swarm hate via Pyroclasm and/or Firespout; Tron Hate: Pithing Needle, Blood Moon, hand disruptions, Land hate (which hurts x1000), and even Trinisphere. Anything else, you're running Abrupt Decay to get rid of those CMC 3 or less things that really hurt you (like a Blood Moon). Vs Jund: Tarmo hate and possible graveyard hate.

Now onto possible solutions, we can ban both or one of Eye of Ugin or Eldrazi Temple which would slow the deck down considerably, and the most proponent of what everyone is pushing for. As a person who uses ONE Eye of Ugin to get chump blockers or bring our my end game, that hurts. q-q

Or we introduce a Limited list for modern, granted, it would make MTG look like it's stealing ideas of other card games, but it would more problems by limiting either or or both Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple, which the decks are still playable, but still much slower than normal, not as slow as would happen if we were to ban outright.

Or, not really a suggestion but forecasting with hope that it is more along this path, WotC will introduce new archetypes, bump up old ones, or create better possible support cards to strengthen current non-Eldrazi tier 1's. Whatever those may be.

Shadows Over Innistrad:

With better and longer term of playing this set out, post-new rotation, we now have better Graveyard control cards via Delirium, possibly cards of quoted figures that never got their own cards during original Innistrad, and Madness is maybe a contestant for sideboard or a deck devotion in the sense that you can discard it yourself or your opponent have to choose hard choices when they cast those hand disruptions (I'm looking at you black splashes).

In terms of modern, who knows, maybe Vampires or Werewolves will be the new Eldrazis to hit the modern scene, or a Delirium/Madness control deck?

But for sure, we will not be unsatisfied with the amount of flavour and lore coming our way in April, and hopefully it will be the same or improved amount of fun that we had during the original Innistrad, not to mention that with Khans and Fate Reforged rotating out, we will no longer have to put up with Fetches, as most of our collections are probably complete or almost complete. Hopefully, it will not be similar to the BFZ hype. Where Standard was somewhat 'meh' and modern-wise it was a bit underwhelming, excluding Eldrazi.

Soooty I know you talk about standard being expensive, and for the most part it is, but I built a homebrewed Rougedeck that is competitive.

Just yesterday we had GameDay at our local store.Well I didn't know until I drove 20 miles to town, and was told it was GameDay lol.

My friend let me borrow his deck that he made consists of alleys, so I tweaked it, until it was a lot like my own deck.He built his from ground up as well.

Went 3/1 only loss was because I was kind of careless and didn't know that I only had 58 cards in the 1st round.I called myself on it and told the guy I was playing in the 1st round he could take the win 2/0 victory.I ended up beating him 2/1, in that first round, but I'm an honest player, and couldn't take the win.He wouldn't have known I only had 58 cards, but I would have, and I'm not going to take credit for a win if I broke the rules, even though it was an honest mistake. I told him to take the 2/0.

That was my only loss, it was my fault.That deck was killer sweet, and vicious. I will post my deck which is competitive at the cost of $173

Now I wasn't running fetch lands yesterday and like I said I should have went undefeated, but still competitive regardless of not having fetch lands.

My next post will be my list it's Nia Alleys

RTK Shania

Land 23

3 Ally Encampment 2 Canopy Vista 2 Cinder Glade 3 Forest 1 Mountain 2 Needle Spires 4 Plains3 Windswept Heath 3 Wooded Foothills

Creatures 28

4 Beastcaller Savant 2 Grovetender Druids 2 Hero of Goma Fada 3 Kor Bladewhirl 3 Lantern Scout 2 Makindi Patrol 2 Ondu Champion 1 Oran-Rief Hydra 2 Resolute Blademaster 2 Sylvan Advocate 2 Tajuru Warcaller 3 Veteran Warleader

Planeswalker 2

1 Gedion, Ally of Zendikar 1 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar

Enchantment 3

1 Oath of Gideon 2 Retreat to Emeria

Instants 2

2 Swell of Growth

Sorcery 2

2 Seek the Wilds

RTK is just my signature I put in front of the name of all my homebrewed Rougedeck's.

Hope you enjoy the deckSincerely Rooster-The-Kid!

Update take the 2 retreat to Emeria out for 2 captin's claws.I forgot to update my color note with that tweak to the deck. Lol

xseiber: Thanks for the hearty discussion! It's good to have a modern player's PoV.

Roostervomet5: Seems like a decent deck, man. Glad to hear youre having success.