MTG Combo: Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder

Confront the Unknown
Zada, Hedron Grinder

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clayperce on The Wolf Pack (Post Eldritch Standard)

8 years ago

Cipher_8,
Also, Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder can be tricky; I think you need to check your example above.

When Zada's ability triggers, the copies are put onto the stack in whatever order you want, with the original spell (targeting Zada) on the bottom. So in your example (Zada + Silverfur + three other wolves), you Investigate then one gets +1/+1, then you Investigate again and the other gets +2/+2, ... then you Investigate the final time and Zada gets +5/+5. You end up with 5 Clue tokens, and (like you said) an additional 4 2/2 Wolf Tokens, for 8 total Wolves.

You also get 4 2/2 Wolf Tokens on your Expedite example.

clayperce on RG Zada Werewolves Budget Deck

8 years ago

Nahgg,
LOVE the ZadaFur combo!

Sorry if you already knew this but Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder can be a little tricky so I try to talk about it whenever I see it. When Zada's ability triggers, the copies are put onto the stack in whatever order you want, with the original spell (targeting Zada) on the bottom. So if there are two other Creatures, for example, you Investigate then one gets +1/+1, then you Investigate again and the other gets +2/+2, then you Investigate again and Zada gets +3/+3.

Really, the best advice I could offer is to drop by this thread sometime: All things Wolven. It's fun community, and the Hall of Fame decks, especially, are really well done.

Draw well!

clayperce on R/G Zada, pack leader

8 years ago

skelterhell,
LOVE this combo!

If you haven't already, I recommend you drop by this thread sometime: All things Wolven. It's a fun and helpful community. Check out the Hall of Fame decks, especially!

Also, sorry if you already knew this but Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder can be a little tricky so I try to talk about it whenever I see it. When Zada's ability triggers, the copies are put onto the stack in whatever order you want, with the original spell (targeting Zada) on the bottom. So if there are two other Creatures, for example, you Investigate then one gets +1/+1, then you Investigate again and the other gets +2/+2, then you Investigate again and Zada gets +3/+3.

Draw well!

clayperce on Gruul ZadaWolves (EMN - Retired)

8 years ago

snarlmkiv,
Well, it happens the same, but the different text on the Might vs. Confront yield very different results ...

Here's a long example of each, starting with Zada, Hedron Grinder, Silverfur Partisan, and a 2/2 Wolf Token on the battlefield. And assuming no counterspells nor Artifact (i.e., Clue) destruction from your opponent.

Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder :

  • Cast Confront, targeting Zada.
  • Confront is copied 2x, targeting Silverfur and then the Wolf Token (or the other way around, if you prefer).
  • Silverfur triggers for itself and the Token. Put 2x more Wolf Tokens on the battlefield.
  • The third Confront (on the Wolf Token) resolves. Investigate, putting a Clue Token on the battlefield. The Wolf Token gets +1/+1 until end of turn (or more if there were already Clues on the battlefield).
  • The second Confront (on Silverfur) resolves. Investigate, putting another Clue Token on the battlefield. Silverfur gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
  • The first Confront (on Zada) resolves. Investigate, putting another Clue Token on the battlefield. Zada gets +3/+3 until end of turn.

Might of the Masses + Zada, Hedron Grinder :

  • Cast Might, targeting Zada.
  • Might is copied 2x, targeting Silverfur and then the Wolf Token (or the other way around, if you prefer).
  • Silverfur triggers for itself and the Token. Put 2x more Wolf Tokens on the battlefield.
  • The third Might (on the Wolf Token) resolves. The Wolf Token gets +5/+5 until end of turn.
  • The second Confront (on Silverfur) resolves. Silverfur gets +5/+5 until end of turn.
  • The first Confront (on Zada) resolves. Zada gets +5/+5 until end of turn.

Hopefully that helps!

clayperce on ZADA. PARTISAN

8 years ago

skittles10,
This is looking really good; +1!

A few quick thoughts:

  • I'm trying to get by with just Red & Green, but I really like the idea of some Blue. I'm with Gattison though ... if I'm gonna go to the trouble of adding Blue, I want some counterspells ... whatever combo or Void Shatter, Horribly Awry, Negate, and Dispel works best for your meta. Seriously, if you're just going for the Unblockable, you might be better off with some Rogue's Passage or a Trample effect (e.g., Rush of Adrenaline or Tread Upon).
  • I'm not a fan of Breakneck Rider  Flip at all. Geier Reach Bandit  Flip, maybe?
  • Sorry if you already knew this but Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder can be a little tricky. When Zada's ability triggers, the copies are put onto the stack in whatever order you want, with the original spell (targeting Zada) on the bottom. So if there are two other Creatures, for example, you Investigate then one gets +1/+1, then you Investigate again and the other gets +2/+2, then you Investigate again and Zada gets +3/+3.

By the way, you might want to drop by this thread sometime: All things Wolven; it's a fun community. And my attempt at the combo is here: Gruul Wolves (SOI Full Aggro).

Good luck (and good skill) with your deck! Please keep in touch and let me know how it plays!

clayperce on Wolves who bench Eldrazi: It's Better Than Yours

8 years ago

Rasanck and others,
Sorry if y'all already knew this but Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder can be a little tricky, so I wanted to lay it out ...
When Zada's ability triggers, the copies are put onto the stack in whatever order you want, with the original spell (targeting Zada) on the bottom. So if there are two other Creatures, for example, you Investigate then one gets +1/+1, then you Investigate again and the other gets +2/+2, then you Investigate again and Zada gets +3/+3.

Take care!

clayperce on

8 years ago

Luyten,
I wanted to follow up on one of srk's comments ...
Very sorry if you already knew this but Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder can be a little tricky. When Zada's ability triggers, the copies are put onto the stack in whatever order you want, with the original spell (targeting Zada) on the bottom. So if there are two other Creatures, for example, you Investigate then one gets +1/+1, then you Investigate again and the other gets +2/+2, then you Investigate again and Zada gets +3/+3.

By the way, you might want to drop by this thread sometime: All things Wolven; it's a fun community. Also, my attempt at a Zada-Sirverfur deck (including my sideboard thoughts) is here: Gruul Wolves (SOI Full Aggro).

Good luck (and good skill) with your deck! Please let me know how it does!

clayperce on werewolves at the door

8 years ago

hobbes8calvin & joeydunge,
Sorry if you already knew this but Confront the Unknown + Zada, Hedron Grinder can be a little tricky. When Zada's ability triggers, the copies are put onto the stack in whatever order you want, with the original spell (targeting Zada) on the bottom. So if there are two other Creatures, for example, you Investigate then one gets +1/+1, then you Investigate again and the other gets +2/+2, then you Investigate again and Zada gets +3/+3.

By the way, you might want to drop by this thread sometime: All things Wolven; it's a fun community. And my attempt at the combo is here: Gruul Wolves (SOI Full Aggro).

Good luck (and good skill) with your deck! Please let me know how it does!