MTG Combo: Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies

Balaam__ on

2 years ago

The easiest and cheapest way to get value out of hydras would probably be the old Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies combo. Splashing is easy enough, and the combo is Modern legal.

Balaam__ on Incredible budget combo elves

2 years ago

I think Helix Pinnacle works better with the old Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies combo

Moosh528491 on Nethroi, Apex of Value

4 years ago

multimedia thanks so much for your suggestions - I typically like to stay away from mana dorks because they're a lot weaker to boardwipes/removal than something like Springbloom Druid, which I actually want to be wiped away so I can get it back with Nethroi. However, I do think Paradise Druid is 100% worth it because of the hexproof for mutation, I didn't think about that.

As for Ghave, Guru of Spores, I do think that's a cool idea but Jade Mage accomplishes the same thing while being way less color-intensive, and costing less actual money (only a buck, but these things add up). Faeburrow Elder is very good, but again costs more than other stuff money-wise and as a mana dork is really weak to removal. Mindless Automaton I really like, that seems like a really cool way to get back something that either turns on dredge, or just gives me a free card and goes right back to the graveyard when Nethroi mutates. And lastly, Custodi Soulbinders is a fine card, but doesn't really fit with the theme or synergize with the deck - I can get it back for free, but once I get it back it's just a really expensive token generator that can't go infinite with Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies because that loop only generates infinite green.

As for the lands, I would rather buy 1-2 dollar cards that synergize with the deck and not just speed up my mana - that is something I will eventually upgrade, but probably not right now in the deck's lifecycle.

Thank you so much for the suggestions, there is some really good stuff in here that I would never have thought about putting in (namely Paradise Druid and Mindless Automaton, I think those two are both awesome and are way within the budget which is great).

DuTogira on Why isn't EDH's The Gitrog …

5 years ago

Three card combos are just difficult to make work in modern. Vizier of Remedies and Devoted Druid are kind of a corner case.
First, I want to make you aware of another three card combo which doesn't work in modern which operates on almost the same level as Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies : Grand Architect + Pili-Pala .
On the surface these two combos are pretty similar. You have a creature that generates mana but suffers from summoning sickness, and another creature that breaks the former and lets it produce infinite mana. Both combos feature creatures that cost 3 or less. One combo is in blue, the other in G/W. Both require some third thing to exploit infinite mana to win.
What exactly is the difference maker between these two, where one sees competitive play and the other doesn't?
The first major difference is that Vizier combo is in green. This gives the deck access to Chord of Calling and Collected Company , both of which can help cheat out combo pieces at instant speed. Pili Pala combo only has access to Whir of Invention , and that doesn't even hit Grand Architect .
The second difference is synergy. Vizier of Remedies on its own can do things such as create an immortal Kitchen Finks , which on its own is enough to seriously slow down any aggro deck, and in some cases just stops them cold. Devoted Druid is at worst a mana dork that can untap at instant speed to either produce a second mana or block. That means 2 lands + Devoted Druid on turn 3 means you're holding up a potential Collected Company , or even a Chord of Calling for 1 during blockers (2 lands make , Devoted Druid taps for a , takes a -1/-1, taps for a , then chumps). In Pili Pala combo on the other hand... Grand Architect can help maybe cheat out a Myr Superion , while Pili-Pala combines with Viridian Longbow to essentially produce an effect that ammounts to : Deal 1 damage. That's about the extent of synergy that the pili pala combo deck can obtain.
The third difference is robustity. Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies is an infinite mana combo, true, but Kitchen Finks + Viscera Seer + Vizier of Remedies is still infinite life, and essentially lets you rig your next draw. You have fall-back combos, all of the pieces of which being fetchable by the same means that the primary combo can be fetched. Pili Pala combo has no such luxury.

The point that I'm trying to demonstrate here is that to be an A + B + C deck in modern, you need tons of synergy, robustity, ways to find your combo, and you probably want to be in Green. Each combo piece still needs to be good on its own. Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies is a deck which has all these things. Grand Architect + Pili-Pala is a deck which does not. Which side of the fence do you think this Gitrog combo falls on?
Can it go off turn 3? Can it win consistently by turn 5, even through disruption? Does it have a secondary game plan to fall back on if the primary combo fails?

I'm not saying that the answer to any of these question has to be "NO" for the Gitrog deck. Indeed, you may be able to brew up some crazy and powerful new combo deck. Rather, I'm just trying to lay the foundation for the absolute necessities of an A + B + C combo deck in modern.
Good luck brewing, but always remember: your combo deck is only as strong as your weakest combo component. Hope this helps.

M_Malcom on Selnysea Dubious Challenge (use custom grouping)

5 years ago

You should run the Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies to just hard cast Emrakul.

SteelSentry on Pir and Toothy EDH Archetypes

6 years ago

I like the deck, but I can only assume that the reason people focus on creature counters is to abuse Toothy drawing a bunch of cards. There's a Pir&Toothy deck at my LGS that draws his entire deck. Some sweet secret tech with Toothy is Conjurer's Closet.

Skirjmellion Using a planeswalker's first ability will give you an additional counter when Pir is out, just like Doubling Season does. Even though it's a cost, it's like the reverse of the Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies combo.

bchan on Legacy Aluren for EDH!

6 years ago

abby315 I love your deck! I think it's a total budget version of my deck! And I do love your suggestions!

I did think about using the Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies combo when I built this deck. For the most part, I haven't needed it, but I think I'll test it by taking out Reservoir and... something else.

filthyc4sual on Elves is back

7 years ago

Is there a reason it doesn't play Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies ? I feel like that combo is much more consistent at getting turn three wins than the Rites. Here are some lines:

T1-Land, anything

T2-Land, Devoted Druid

T3-Land, Chord for a Vizier, make infinite mana, cast or Chord for an Ezuri, GG

OR

Vizier, make infinite mana, cast or chord for Ezuri, GG

Basically if you have Devoted Druid and some combination of Vizier, chord, and Ezuri in hand, you get a t3 kill.