demonicgrizzly says... #2
Have you thought of running Ugin, the Spirit Dragon? His conditional -x could be useful, but I am not sure you want to be exiling your own stuff. His plus though can end games in a hurry.
October 1, 2016 1:44 p.m.
No demonicgrizzly, I never really considered putting Ugin in this deck, its -X does come with a downside.
There are so many good cards and so few available card slots. /;-)
October 1, 2016 10:17 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #4
What do you think of Nim Deathmantle as a way to never lose your floating mana?
October 3, 2016 5:13 p.m.
I never realized how great that card is with Omnath! Cool idea :)
October 3, 2016 5:19 p.m.
Thanks MindAblaze, In fact, I like that idea a lot.
To keep from losing the floating mana is exactly why Winding Canyons and Yeva, Nature's Herald are already in the deck. Adding Nim Deathmantle will give me better odds of getting one of the three into play.
As luck would have it, I already had one in my binder, so that was pretty easy and already done. Thanks again for the suggestion.
October 3, 2016 7:13 p.m.
NINJAxPENGUIN92 says... #7
I love me a good mono green beat-face. Nissa's Lands is my baby, and we have some similar cards. you may want to look into some better land ramp like Boundless Realms to help cast all your big dudes and pump the International Bank of Omnath. Especially if you have an Amulet of Vigor and Rude Awakening or Early Harvest, you can get crazy amounts of mana.
October 28, 2016 7 p.m.
Thanks for the suggestions, NINJAxPENGUIN92.
Actually, while our decks have some similarities, they're also quite different. This deck ramps pretty hard, but a lot of it isn't land ramp. I like the way the mana production is diversified with cards like Selvala, Heart of the Wilds. If I pump up Omnath, Locus of Mana, then activate her, she doubles the mana, which also doubles Omnath's strength. Cards like Frontier Siege that give me two green mana on my second main phase after it comes into play, and then keeps giving me four more every turn, all of which pumps up Omnath. Cards like Karametra's Acolyte or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx which give me one mana for every green pip on my board, always good value, but can get ridiculous when Khalni Hydra or Primalcrux are in play. Extraplanar Lens, which doubles the mana from my Snow-Covered Forests but not anyone else's forests. Doubling Cube, which does exactly what the name suggests. Nissa, Worldwaker, who lets me untap four lands every turn, and Sword of Feast and Famine, which lets me untap all my lands when its equiped creature, Omnath, deals damage.
Of course these are not all the ramp cards in the deck, but they all have one thing in common. None of these cards are in your deck. So you see, this deck can get crazy amounts of mana, even though I'm not trying to dig out all the lands in my deck. I'm not saying you need to change your deck to match mine, but just that there are different ways to go about mana production.
November 3, 2016 4:33 p.m. Edited.
Sweet list, Omnath, Locus of Forests was my first real commander deck and definitely is the one i have had the most headaches over!
I like what you have done with this list. my version is a little more rampy, but you might want to have a look at my mana base as there are a few things there you might like.
Overall though like the list!
November 6, 2016 10:30 a.m.
demonicgrizzly says... #10
Gabtuls just so you know your hyperlink takes me to a deck that is not yours. i went to look at the mana base and i saw 60 forests and went "wtf, is he making a joke" and then realized that it wasn't your deck.
November 8, 2016 4:37 p.m.
oh snap, my bad demonicgrizzly don't you know basic forest is best land?
hopefully this one works Omnath, Locus of Forests
November 8, 2016 5:22 p.m.
demonicgrizzly says... #12
should be basic snow forest, if you ask me, Gabtuls. but your new link worked just fine. much better land base than 60 forests.
November 9, 2016 8:43 a.m.
endersblade says... #13
November 10, 2016 4:43 p.m.
Thanks for the suggestions, endersblade.
I've previously considered all of these cards, and in fact I've had a couple of them in the deck at some point, but they've all been either rejected or replaced for one reason or another.
You mentioned Gauntlet of Power but not Vernal Bloom. Either way, I'm not a big fan of giving other green players ramp.
Most of the others cost too much for what they do. Elemental Bond doesn't, but is a little too situational.
November 10, 2016 7:27 p.m.
endersblade says... #15
Yep, remembered the Bloom after I made the post, didn't feel like making another just to link something I figured you already knew about lol.
November 10, 2016 7:28 p.m.
endersblade says... #16
You're playing Omnath and a few mana doublers. I doubt ANYTHING can 'cost too much' in this deck.
November 10, 2016 7:29 p.m.
Thanks for the suggestion, SSJ_Weegee.
Unfortunately, while Upwelling has a proud place in my group hug deck, I'm not at all willing to allow all my opponents to share in Omnath's storage ability with this deck.
endersblade, I didn't say that those cards cost too much. What I said was that they cost too much for what they do. I've been reconsidering Zendikar Resurgent though. I'm thinking of replacing Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger (again, I've done it before) because it's such a target and never stays on the board long enough to get any real value out of it. Zendikar Resurgent, since it doesn't have the stax effect, wouldn't be the 'must remove at all costs' card that Vorinclex is, and it costs one less to cast.
So anyway, thanks for the suggestions.
November 11, 2016 9:42 a.m.
Personally i always try to make Zendikar Resurgent work in my decks, but it always ends up getting cut. I find Caged Sun and Gauntlet of Power are just better, even if you forget the +1/+1 off of them
November 11, 2016 11:09 a.m.
I don't know Gabtuls, Zendikar Resurgent seems like it would be a better option than Caged Sun in this deck. The +1/+1 ability doesn't do that much in EDH, and while Caged Sun only works for green mana, Zendikar Resurgent doubles my colorless as well. Add to that the ability to draw a card, which 'is' a powerful effect in EDH, all for one additional mana, and I think Zendikar Resurgent wins the match up. I've gone ahead and replaced Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger with it, for the reasons stated above. I'll reassess it after a few plays.
I've already given my thoughts on Gauntlet of Power and Vernal Bloom, so I won't repeat them here.
November 12, 2016 9:03 a.m.
Zendikar Resurgent also brings two green devotion with it, which is a small but relevant bonus.
November 12, 2016 12:09 p.m.
Very true, Emzed. With Karametra's Acolyte or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx on the field it makes a small but real difference. Even Primalcrux is better with it.
Of course, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger had those two pips also, and I have lost the ability to tutor for him, but to tell you the truth, it gets kind of boring, and others, especially in my playgroup, start rolling their eyes when they know in advance that Vorinclex is what I'm going to tutor for.
I've already taken out Hall of Gemstone and now Vorinclex. Could this be the start of a kinder, gentler Omnath? /;-)
November 12, 2016 6:29 p.m.
Since you took Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger out you might consider giving a spot to Regal Behemoth. It depends on your play environment but it can give you mana doubling on a big body for quite a while without stax. Also gets you bonus card draw. That said I am honestly not sure what I'd remove for it, but if you decide to change anything around it's worth consideration. I run it in my green deck and I tend to remain the monarch indefinitely because people consider so many other creatures priority targets.
November 15, 2016 7:46 a.m. Edited.
Thanks for the suggestion, gonki.
Regal Behemoth seems like a cool card, but ever since the Monarch mechanic was introduced, I looked at it as putting a target on yourself. Because of this, I haven't seriously considered adding any cards with that mechanic to any of my EDH decks.
I really don't want to give players an incentive to attack me, which would then give them the Monarch card draw ability, while at the same time removing the mana ramping ability of Regal Behemoth. It just seems too risky.
November 15, 2016 9:13 a.m.
I think you are really overestimating the risk here. When Regal Behemoth comes into play, you become the Monarch and are thus guaranteed to draw a card in the same turn, which is a solid bonus. Now there certainly is an incentive for your opponents to attack you as the Monarch, since stealing the title both hurts you and benefits them. However, it merely requires them to deal damage to you with any creature, so they are probably no more likely to all out attack you than before. On the contrary, if their intention is to become the Monarch and hold on to the title, they should think ahead and keep some blockers back, otherwise they will immediatly be attacked themselves. Also, being the Monarch basically means having a free Phyrexian Arena - but is that effect worth an unprofitable attack? It's very possible your opponents let you alone as the Monarch, since the bonus is good, but not insane, and they might think "someone else should invest resources to deal with this, i have bigger fish to fry".
They way i see it, being the Monarch is like having a Planeswalker, say Jace Beleren - you get value every turn until someone attacks it. The difference, though: After they attack and you lose the Monarch title, you can get it right back by attacking yourself. And just like planeswalkers, the Monarch emblem is at its best when your opponents don't have the possibility to attack it. So when you encounter lots of Wrath of God type effects or decks that aren't really prepared to attack, monarchy seems like the way to go.
RamaLama says... #1
Yeah demonicgrizzly, I like Scour from Existence, but I'm also not convinced it would be worth the card slot. Maybe sideboard it if I knew or suspected someone was running Iona.
Karn Liberated, as Emzed suggested would be good too. Who wouldn't like reusable exile effect, but aside from his high dollar cost, Karn is such a target. He gets everyone's laser-like attention, sort of the way Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger does in this deck.
I don't know, like I said, I haven't run into an Iona problem yet. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I have to.
October 1, 2016 11 a.m.