Kamahl, Fist of Krosa EDH

Commander / EDH Cariddis

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Cariddis says... #1

gobucks sadly I tried the Nacatl and it doesn't work very well... It is to fragile, costs too much and, most of all, doesn't have haste. It's a shame that it isn't so good as we expected since yours was a pretty great idea.

October 6, 2015 12:45 p.m.

iosullenuvole says... #2

+1 from me :) great deck!

November 12, 2015 12:52 p.m.

Cariddis says... #3

iosullenuvole thank you so much! :)

November 15, 2015 5:47 a.m.

chrissteals says... #4

Fun fact: your deck playtests with 82 cards-the foil snow lands don't register with the playtester :P

January 2, 2016 8:53 a.m.

Cariddis says... #5

chrissteals I noticed! However, if you run the second playtest, the deck will register just fine ;)

January 2, 2016 8:41 p.m.

SLP_500 says... #6

I just wanted to say that your deck taught me a lot about Green, and helped me realize that I am a green player at heart even though I run Temur colors in EDH. +1 for sure!

January 31, 2016 4:24 p.m.

Cariddis says... #7

SLP_500 thank you so much, I'm so happy to help other players understand their love for Green mana :) I often think of other commanders I could build and I can't even think of building one that is not of this color ;)

I really like Temur way of thinking but when speaking of tri-color combination my favourite one is definitely Naya. In Duel Commander, which is the 1VS1 EDH version, I play Marath, Will of the Wild.

February 1, 2016 2:02 p.m.

SLP_500 says... #8

If I didn't dislike white so much, I'd be more open to using Naya colors. I will admit that white has the best enchantments after green, and actually has ways to tutor for enchantments, so I could see Naya being really good. This is more for me than a suggestion for your deck, but what do you think of Asceticism?

February 2, 2016 10:24 p.m.

Cariddis says... #9

I think Asceticism is a nice card, but it is more useful for token strategies like Trostani, Selesnya's Voice, where you want to be able to populate without the risk of your opponents killing the target of Trostani's ability.

In my deck, however, almost all the creatures have ETB effect, so once they are in play whoever will want to kill them, wasting a spot removal on them, is more than welcome ;) of course if they'll kill Kamahl I'd be pretty pissed, but the secret is playing him only if you don't see any threat for his life.

Other decks where I could see Asceticism been played are voltron decks where your commander doesn't have hexproof, such as Rafiq of the Many; or aggro/combo decks like Ezuri, Claw of Progress to protect your pieces.

February 3, 2016 3:33 a.m.

SLP_500 says... #10

That's the best answer I've seen, and now I feel better about using it. Thanks!

February 3, 2016 8:09 p.m.

Hey I can't believe I found this deck again! I found an older cardlist on mtgcommander.net; I'm glad to see it with stuff from newer sets! The variation I've contructed is here: There's No Kill Like Overkill

If you have any budget-y suggestions, that would be much appreciated. Such as, in the older decklist, Abundance and Nissa's Pilgrimage are both listed. Are they still worth running, or are they outstripped by other cards?

As for commentary on the deck current iteration, I have one question for you: why no Sylvan Advocate? It is everything this deck wants it to be; it buffs your own manlands without increasing your opponents' like Earth Surge, it's a prime tutor target for Woodland Bellower if you're playing on curve, it has lategame value because it has a big body, and it's an Elf.

I could imagine you cutting Scryb Ranger for it, but almost nothing else; there's so much value everywhere!

August 10, 2016 11:04 a.m.

Cariddis says... #12

Hi Austin_Smith_of_Cards! Sorry for answering only now, I just came back from holidays. Let's deal with each issue separately, shall we?

1) I'm very happy that you found my deck on mtgcommander.net! Sadly, I don't have time to both update the deck here and on that site: it's time consuming, and my spare time is very little due to College schedule and other stuff. The version of my deck that inspired you is an older one (heck, I think it is one of my first decklist ever!) And a lot of stuff happened since then, namely testing and testing and guess what? More testing.

2) About budget cards, I always encourage my friends who don't want to spend tons of money to find less expensive alternatives that yet remain viable; after all, we're talking about a multiplayer format, where the divide between expensive and on-budget decks grows smaller and smaller as the number of player increases (I believe that the perfect EDH game is a free for all between 6 players). Abundance and Nissa's Pilgrimage are still two great cheap (yet effective) options, but there are a lot of more cards out there! You can find below the description my personal log of updates and swap of cards; maybe you'll find some viable options among the cards that I chose to substitute. You could also just wait for some reprints: look for example at Burgeoning, who just got a reprint in Conspiracy 2: great, GREAT card in multi, and now its price will drop significantly. If you want some specific suggestion, feel free to ask :)

3) I've been thinking about Sylvan Advocate for some time. I think you're definitely right: it's a very interesting card in this deck; he improves Kamahl's ability significantly and he's good both on early and late game. The only drawback I've seen up to now is that it's not as good a topdeck as it would be in my mind, especially if I'm not allowed to cast my commander (too expensive due to commander taxes, an opponent used a Nevermore effect and so on). Scryb Ranger is the only card I could swap it for, but he's much more versatile, and can let me do ridiculous sheaningans with Gaea's Cradle and Kamahl's first ability. I'll try and test Advocate some more, as I'll wait for him to exit standard (thus lowering his price) before buying a foil version of it, anyway. Thank you for your much valuable opinion!

August 22, 2016 5:02 p.m.

endersblade says... #13

NOBODY should be dropping Wrath effects against a Kamahl deck. As long as you have mana open, you can use his 1: ability to turn everyone's lands into creatures and you essentially turn that wrath into an Armageddon.

Check out mine: EDH - Kamahl The irony being, I sold my Foil Gaea's Cradle in order to build the deck :-)

October 19, 2016 3:20 p.m.

Plasmarocket says... #14

I normally don't play green (the only green deck I currently own is a Wurm/Snake/Hydra deck for casual Modern), but this deck gave me a lot of ideas and kind of inspired me to go back into color(partially(I recently fell in love with colorless and had no plans to return to the nasty color playing side))!

December 17, 2016 10:27 a.m.

Cariddis says... #15

Plasmarocket I'm so glad to hear that my playstyle swayed you back towards the coloured part of magic ;)

When building monocolored decks, I find it very satisfying when the strategy turns out to be in harmony with that color phylosophy.

This deck represents all that a green Planeswalker should embody: a mage exploiting the power of nature and its resources in order to grow bigger and stronger, until this unstopped tide of power breaks out and overwhelms everything!

Furthermore, this decks also is a good example of what happens if you let green mana wielders unchecked (i.e. if you don't counter their spells) :)

December 18, 2016 12:50 p.m.

With the release of Aether Revolt, Rishkar's Expertise and Heroic Intervention both look interesting. After looking up the rulings on the Expertise, apparently you can cast one of the cards you've drawn with its first effect, which is pretty useful for digging into the top of your deck. Heroic Intervention protects you from a boardwipe while punishing opponent's lands with Kamahl. Both might be worth playtesting.

February 11, 2017 9:29 p.m.

Cariddis says... #17

Austin_Smith_of_Cards I'm playtesting them at the moment, since I totally agree with you and they seemed to me pretty good cards :) I still have to play many more games with them, but for now here's my two cents:

Heroic Intervention doesn't look good enough: when you have a huge board, either you're winning or you have enough mana to use Kamahl, preventing people from boardwipes. I know that by using it I would still retain all of my premanents, but trust me when I say that no one will wipe the board if I have my commander in play :)

Rishkar's Expertise is AMAZING! The net card advantage you can obtain is impressive, and the ability to cast another card is extremely good. I'll definitely find room for it on my deck.

Thank you so much for your advice! I'll make sure to quote you when I'll do the official update to the decklist :)

February 12, 2017 7:29 p.m.

Cariddis says... #18

Austin_Smith_of_Cards I'm playtesting them at the moment, since I totally agree with you and they seemed to me pretty good cards :) I still have to play many more games with them, but for now here's my two cents:

Heroic Intervention doesn't look good enough: when you have a huge board, either you're winning or you have enough mana to use Kamahl, preventing people from boardwipes. I know that by using it I would still retain all of my premanents, but trust me when I say that no one will wipe the board if I have my commander in play :)

Rishkar's Expertise is AMAZING! The net card advantage you can obtain is impressive, and the ability to cast another card is extremely good. I'll definitely find room for it on my deck.

Thank you so much for your advice! I'll make sure to quote you when I'll do the official update to the decklist :)

February 12, 2017 7:29 p.m.

Xinofos says... #19

First of, nice deck!

You have probably have tested it, but have you considered Primeval Bounty? I find it's versatility very useful.

Also about Nissa, Vastwood Seer  Flip, though you are correct she is average in the 99, she is a decent commander, being super easy to flip and all. You should try it sometime. ;)

I have built one, still needs work though. Nissa starring in: Big green stompy!

February 18, 2017 7:12 a.m.

Cariddis says... #20

Xinofos Nissa is definitely an excellent commander :) it is also very useful in the 99 for some decks (especially in BG decks with graveyard recursion).

Primeval Bounty was tested in the early years of my deck, before I even wrote this deck teck; this cards has serveral problem, though: first of all, for a CMC of 6 I can cast way better cards. Furthermore, when it resolves it doesn't do anything, since it will need the casting/playing of other cards. Last but not least, all of its effects are not useful neither for this deck strategy nor for any particular card in the 99.

February 18, 2017 6:12 p.m.

A card was just spoiled for Amonkhet that might be worth looking into for this list. Prowling Serpopard is one mana more than Gaea's Herald, but has a pushed p/t AND it itself can't be countered (huge difference). The Herald may be an elf, but since she doesn't have an ETB ability she's not as synergistic with say Wirewood Symbiote.

March 31, 2017 12:45 a.m.

Cariddis says... #22

Austin_Smith_of_Cards I saw it this morning and I'm already planning on ordering one :) I will definitely include it in the 99, taking Gaea's Herald out. She was in not for any synergies whatsoever, but for her ability instead. I see Serpopard as a straight upgrade; furthermore, since I have plenty of creatures with CMC 2, there shouldn't be any problem with my Birthing Pod curve.

Thank you for sharing your thought and caring for this deck :)

March 31, 2017 8:56 a.m.

Whelp, it was just announced that Protean Hulk is unbanned in EDH. Now the only question that remains is what to swap it out for. I'm going to say Woodland Bellower, since it fulfills a similar role, but playtesting may be needed first.

April 25, 2017 12:34 p.m.

Cariddis says... #24

Austin_Smith_of_Cards I was actually thinking about swapping Primordial Sage for it. There are the reasons why:

  • Using it instead of another CMC7 creature is out of the question, since both Avenger of Zendikar and Regal Force are insanely powerful.

  • Woodland Bellower is a great tutor that triggers as soon as it enters the battlefield, whereas Hulk needs to die; they may seem to be similar, but they're actually quite different one from the other.

  • I find that Primordial Sage is "the least of the best" among the CMC6 creatures that are currently in the 99. Since there is also Soul of the Harvest to keep the draw engine alive, I don't even feel guilty for taking it out.

Given all of that, I still need to playtest a lot to make a final decision. Luckily for me, two weeks from now I'll attend a EDH multiplayer tournament, which will be the ideal environment for testing both Protean Hulk and Prowling Serpopard :)

April 25, 2017 5:12 p.m.

Ramunap Excavator looks especially strong for this list. Being able to directly tutor it out with stuff like Woodland Bellower, Green Sun's Zenith, Chord of Calling, etc. makes it easier to grab than Crucible, even if it is a bit more vulnerable. It's probably something definitely worth including.

I'm thinking swapping it in for Dosan the Falling Leaf, for three reasons:

1) Prowling Serpopard is another 3-drop that effectively helps do the same thing; i.e. prevent your opponents from countering your creature spells during your turn.

2) He has slight anti-synergy with other cards in your list. Bellower can't tutor for him, Yeva becomes kind of useless, and no epic end step Chord of Callings before untapping.

3) He's another three-drop, which means he perfectly swaps his place on the curve.

Don't know how important Dosan is to your meta; if you've got a pretty heavy number of control players hanging around, maybe keep him. But I think for the reasons stated above, he could probably take the cut.

August 2, 2017 3:23 p.m.

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