Meren of Clan Nel Toth

Commander / EDH parasitian

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parasitian says... #1

Thank you for the suggestions, I already have Birds of Paradise in the deck. I would like to ask you what I should take out for the cards you mentioned? I will add card:Black Sun's Zenith and Garruk Wildspeaker for sure. Can Nightmare Void replace Duress because its repeatable and helps get creatures in my graveyard?

December 18, 2012 8:05 p.m.

parasitian says... #2

Ok lets say I take out Army of the Damned , Genesis , Reiver Demon , and Butcher of Malakir . Then I can add Garruk Wildspeaker , card:Black Sun's Zenith, Gutter Grime , and Nightmare Void . Any other cards to remove?

December 18, 2012 8:16 p.m.

parasitian says... #3

Dark Hatchling is essentially a Doom Blade with a body, so I think I should be fine on removal, but I agree Butcher of Malakir is quite powerful. I can't really take out Doomgape because its life gain is relevant and chucking him with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord can end games. How about removing Deathrite Shaman ? The shaman generally doesn't ramp until late game and the life loss and life gain isn't very relevant with multiple players each with 40 life.

December 19, 2012 8:51 p.m.

parasitian says... #4

First off, I can't begin to appreciate how much you are helping me, it really means a lot. You have a point I need to make room for Doom Blade , Go for the Throat , and Butcher of Malakir . I really do think Dark Hatchling is good for this deck, so i don't wanna take him out.

Here is my reasoning: One its a creature and removal, creatures that act as removal are always good because you get two cards mashed together even if the mana cost is higher than usual and it is not instant speed. Two the creature has evasion and being able to block flying creatures is helpful in a deck with few flyers. Three it can be tutored with creature tutors, like card:Jarad's Orders and Fauna Shaman , which makes the hatchling a fetchable removal spell. And lastly, being a creature, the hatchling works well with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord and other cards in the deck.

So I need to re-add Deathrite Shaman then add Doom Blade and Go for the Throat . Should I take out Skullbriar, the Walking Grave ? He goes with the theme and he is a decent two-drop, but works better as a commander than just a random creature. Next I was looking at other cards and saw a lot of commanders using Attrition , in my deck its a reusable Doom Blade , should I use it instead of Doom Blade ? Any ideas what to take out?

December 21, 2012 10:07 p.m.

dethjakal says... #5

So, for some sac outlets could I consider card:Ashnod's Altar & Phyrexian Altar . If you're gonna have a Grave Pact & a Butcher of Malakir , having more sac outlets can get the job done.

You could abuse Exsanguinate by running Mikaeus, the Unhallowed with Workhorse , generating infinite colorless mana is always nice, no matter the situation.

Not really to familiar with golgari colors haha, trying my best to help.

Curse of the Cabal is good whether you hardcast it or suspend it, either way it does a damn good job haha.

Verdant Force is some token gen, small scale but still.

January 3, 2013 8:18 p.m.

dethjakal says... #6

Murder is also nice...

January 3, 2013 8:19 p.m.

parasitian says... #7

OK what should I take out for those cards?

January 3, 2013 8:35 p.m.

dethjakal says... #8

I wouldn't say bad, you just have to be able to cover their asses...

January 4, 2013 8:01 p.m.

parasitian says... #9

OK do you guys think I should take out Massacre Wurm ? What about Nightmare Void ? Is it not worth it? Army of the Damned seems like a great finisher and the flashback helps for when I dredge into it, but is it too much mana to really help me? What about Grim Flowering , is it too slow? How bout Grave Betrayal ? Any other cards you think I should remove?

January 4, 2013 10:33 p.m.

dethjakal says... #10

card:Conjurer's Closet and Massacre Wurm can be stupid, or really any way to have him sorta flicker

January 7, 2013 9:14 a.m.

parasitian says... #11

Sepulchral Primordial or Sylvan Primordial ? Also do you think I should take out Doubling Season ? (There isn't that many tokens or counters) If I take it out should I add Pernicious Deed ?

January 22, 2013 10:23 p.m.

Fuckslayer says... #12

Needs more dredge.

April 29, 2013 1:22 a.m.

parasitian says... #13

Here is the thing, the aren't that many dredge cards that are all that worth it. Dredge helps the deck, but if the card itself is weak then I am wasting my draws just to mill myself which generally isn't going to help much. I originally had Golgari Thug in the deck, but he was just too weak on his own to really be worth it.

Honestly I will agree with that this deck needs more cards that get cards in the graveyard. I also think this deck needs creatures that can recur themselves. While both of those things can be solved by adding dredge cards, I just don't think there any dredge cards are worth it in the deck. I will think of cards with similar roles to add though.

April 30, 2013 12:40 a.m.

hubatish says... #14

Mulch and Grisly Salvage ? More creatures that dump themselves into graveyards? - Sakura-Tribe Elder is the best of them. Bloodghast is also a classic.

I run a somewhat similar Sek'Kuar Dredge Reanimator deck - I'm wondering how good Worm Harvest , Rot Farm Skeleton , and Creakwood Liege are. The Liege seems pretty sick, but the Skeleton might be too slow, and I've never tried Worm Harvest . Also, how often do you dredge? I can never almost bring myself to miss out on a draw to get back something like Golgari Grave-Troll unless I'm drawing multiple cards... But maybe the mill is worth it!

June 17, 2013 3:22 p.m.

parasitian says... #15

I originally had Grisly Salvage in the deck, I might re-add it because it is pretty helpful sometimes. I don't think I have enough open card slots for Mulch , so I doubt I'll add it. I will add Sakura-Tribe Elder , I kinda doubted its utility at first, but I will definitely find a slot for it. I don't want to add Bloodghast , I feel like he isn't good enough for him to get a slot.

Creakwood Liege is good for his continuous tokens and buff, not super amazing, but good enough that he deserves a slot in the deck.

I'm testing out Worm Harvest for now, I might end up taking it out; so far I have got it out in the late game once and it was pretty good. You have no need for lands in the late game so each land top-deck feeds the growing pile of worms. The dream is to get Life from the Loam and Worm Harvest together and just start chugging out worms like no tomorrow, but it doesn't happen that often.

Rot Farm Skeleton has been removed from the deck and then added, it's hard for me to decide whether or not to keep him in. He mills you and beats face, but he truly shines when you have 7 mana and each turn you mill 4 while using Jarad's sacrifice ability to deal 4 damage to each player.

As for dredging, I don't use it very often. In fact I might remove Stinkweed Imp . Typically you are going to dredge when you are drawing a lot of cards like you mentioned, but there are a few other scenarios where dredging is useful. Life from the Loam is dredged when I'm missing a land drop and I'll dredge Golgari Grave-Troll often if I have 5+ creatures in my graveyard.

June 17, 2013 8:05 p.m.

hubatish says... #16

Thanks for explaining those cards to me - I might give Creakwood Liege and Rot Farm Skeleton a try. And I agree about the Dredge - it can be an awesome bonus if the card is good, but never seems worth playing for the lackluster creatures. Life from the Loam = 100% best Dredge card in EDH.

June 17, 2013 9:32 p.m.

Mewgle says... #17

Seeing a bunch of good things in your Maybeboard you WANT to have.

Seeing how you seem to be on-and-off about Rot Farm Skeleton , I'll ignore him for now.

To me, Butcher of Malakir is a slower, more cumbersome Grave Pact . Enchantments tend to be harder to remove than creatures. I'd cut him for Woodfall Primus .

Brawn isn't as strong as Filth in a deck with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth . Perhaps you could cut that for Mortivore .

I say Reanimate over Stitch Together . One less mana, and any creature from any graveyard. Sure there's some life loss, but it's worth it if you're taking their Consecrated Sphinx or some other power creature.

Other cards I want to suggest that I don't know what you should cut are Buried Alive , Entomb , Skullclamp , Deadbridge Chant , and some more free sac outlets. Especially Viscera Seer for the Scry.

Other things in your maybeboard you want to prioritize finding a spot for are Rune-Scarred Demon and Birthing Pod if you have a pod chain.

August 13, 2013 11:34 p.m.

parasitian says... #18

Thanks a ton for the suggestions, I'll try to work on some changes for the deck.

August 14, 2013 12:54 a.m.

parasitian says... #19

Hey Mewgle, if I could only add one card would I add Reanimate or rescue from the underworld?

It's a new card from Theros, here is the link:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/6kdi5eUVwwI_EN_LR.jpg

September 2, 2013 2:30 a.m.

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