Very similar to the idea I had. Thanks for the example.
I'm gonna go Soldier/Angel I think, with a little more aura and a little less equipment, to support a Heroic subtheme (Phalanx Leader, Fabled Hero).
May 25, 2016 12:04 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #3
Roccovsky, I think Fabled Hero looks great if you go more with auras! The double strike ability is really important in this deck and I could see him getting big quickly.
I'm less sure about Phalanx Leader. He may be a bit too vanilla. I think you basically want every creature (and aura) to have at least one key word that Odric can spread to the team. Phalanx Leader doesn't contain any keywords.
Good luck putting your deck together!
May 25, 2016 12:53 p.m.
Oopsie on the duplicate comment. Tappedout forces you to live the shame of accidental double-clicks.
Of course you're right about the need for keyword density in an Odric, Lunarch Marshal deck. I have a feeling there will be plenty of overlap, and I can find a good spot for Phalanx Leader. But I'm biased; he's my favorite white creature in a long time.
May 29, 2016 12:38 a.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #5
Roccovsky, I can understand that for Phalanx Leader. The game is about having fun and if you love a card, go for it. I feel that way about Progenitor Mimic. I will put it in any Simic deck even if it doesn't really go with the theme haha.
May 29, 2016 4:01 a.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #7
Cloudchaser.Kestrel, thanks for the suggestion. I had him in briefly but substituted him for Mentor of the Meek. What should I cut to make room?
May 29, 2016 6:16 p.m.
Cloudchaser.Kestrel says... #8
Rogues Gloves honestly could go. As an equipment without a keyword I don't think the one card is worth it.
May 29, 2016 6:22 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #9
Cloudchaser.Kestrel, that's a fair point. I think I'd get better card advantage from Pure steel paladin... Plus the fact he cancels equip costs is great
May 29, 2016 6:41 p.m.
Cool idea! Since equipments-matter is a pretty recurring archetype in mtg I expect this list will age well. In the meantime you could fill in the gaps with some enchantments. Boonweaver Giant and friends might be able to get a lot of those effects a bit quicker. Daybreak Coronet, Indestructibility, Shielded by Faith, Angelic Destiny, Asha's Favor are some good options. Darksteel Myr is some of the cheapest indestructible around and he comes out a turn before your commander. he could augment the Bastion Protector you already have. Once you have indestructible on your guys you really just have to worry about exile and bounce spells. As for that I can only suggest Rebuff the Wicked.
Cool deck man.
May 31, 2016 1:39 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #11
NewHorizons, thanks so much for the suggestions! I've decided to not go down to the aura route just to maintain greater consistency with "equipment matters" cards like Nahiri, the Lithomancer, Puresteel Paladin, and Stonehewer Giant.
I definitely see how this deck could go down a more "Enchantress" path with lots of auras. I think that would be a fun build too.
I have Shielded by Faith in my deck already. I like it because it can move between creatures, almost like an equipment. I will definitely consider Darksteel Myr and Rebuff the Wicked for protection.
May 31, 2016 1:51 p.m.
brokendwarf says... #12
Concerted Effort. It's like a back-up Odric (or another one) that also gives you access to some older abilites like protection (mainly this one), fear, and landwalk.
May 31, 2016 2:33 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #13
Thanks for the suggestion, brokendwarf. I'm considering adding it and Akroma's Memorial
May 31, 2016 2:43 p.m.
Kor Cartographer is pretty good with Emeria Shepherd. You could throw a sacrifice engine in there to make it grab all your plains. Perhaps a Demonmail Hauberk?
May 31, 2016 2:56 p.m.
Also, Sigarda, Heron's Grace seems good. It can pump out chumps while giving your army hexproof.
May 31, 2016 3:11 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #16
NewHorizons, sigarda is green and white... I can't put it in mono white hehe. My friend has a sigarda deck and it is a lot of fun.
I will consider kor cartographer as another ramp card
May 31, 2016 3:29 p.m.
cool deck! maybe Gift of Estates or land tax? or maybe Weathered Wayfarer which can get any land? i would consider Karoo over secluded steppe.
also with odric potentially getting indestructible to all your creatures in the second main phase, i would run something like Day of Judgment over Mass Calcify.
it seems like you have lots of double strike but not much lifelink. maybe Knight of Meadowgrain or Dawnbringer Charioteers.
June 1, 2016 2 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #19
RupertPhd, thanks for your suggestions. I'll definitely look at Gift of Estates, Land Tax, or Weathered Wayfarer for extra land fetching.
The reason I use Secluded Steppe is for its potential to be cycled for an extra card later in the game when I don't need a land. White is bad at card draw, so even Secluded Steppe helps a bit.
Totally agree with your point about board wipes. I already have Mass Calcify, Wrath of God, and Martial Coup in there :)
Good point about lifelink...I don't have a lot. I'll look at your two options plus Seraph of Dawn (just to keep the angel theme).
Any suggestions on what should come out?
June 1, 2016 3:19 p.m. Edited.
It's all up to you and playtesting... some of the equipments cost so much mana to cast and equip before you get advantage. Like Loxodon Warhammer is essentially a six-drop with no body. Maybe Mask of Memory over rogue's gloves.
I haven't played an odric deck so the right balance between keyword creatures, and buffing equipments that would survive boardwipes, is difficult to say.
June 1, 2016 6:28 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #21
RupertPhd, I hadn't seen Mask of Memory before! I like that it only costs 1 to equip and that it allows you to draw 2 and then choose what to discard. I had already switched out Rogue's Gloves for Puresteel Paladin. I forgot to update on here. I should look into adding Mask of Memory too though.
You make a valid point about equipment in general: that it can be costly to both cast and equip. I like equipments' relative resiliency compared to creatures. Creature board wipes are common, but at least the equipment survives to be attached to another creature. I'm still figuring out the right balance between equipment and creatures with abilities already on them.
I think I'll keep stuff like Loxodon Warhammer, Sword of Vengeance, and Chariot of Victory since White has few trample options (plus the power boost of the first two is nice). I may reduce some of the other equipment I have though. For example, Fireshrieker could probably be replaced with Fencing Ace, Fabled Hero, or Skyspear Cavalry for better value.
June 1, 2016 7:27 p.m.
PookandPie says... #22
Needs Crackdown, to prevent people with larger creatures from swinging them repeatedly (also has a delightful benefit of shutting off some very specific creatures with tap abilities).
If you want to tutor, you should be running Enlightened Tutor, as it's way too good for this deck to pass up. Grabbing Cathars' Crusade when you have a token producer active or ensuring you have Darksteel Plate when playing against a deck with many board wipes is important, and this grabs them at instant speed for your next draw.
Mind's Eye > Tamiyo's Journal. Journal takes 3 turns of not drawing cards to tutor, notwithstanding the card draw ability costs twice as much as Mind's Eye. Every opponent has to draw cards, at least one per turn, so 2 mana will become double the cards. You may not see it like that, but I figure I may as well make mention of it.
You should also run Weathered Wayfarer and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. You have a lot of permanents with multiple white mana symbols, which Nykthos loves, and Weathered Wayfarer would let you grab your Rogue's Passage, Nykthos, etc., if you'd need to ramp. Also consider Kor Haven if you opt to include Weathered Wayfarer, as being able to tutor up a card that blanks an attacker could be huge against Voltron decks or Xenagos, God of Revels, for example, when he sends a 48/48 Bane of Progress swinging at you on the fifth turn, lol.
Also, is there a reason you're using Mask of Avacyn over Lightning Greaves? Odric spreads ability love at the beginning of combat, and you can't pay equip costs unless it's your main phase, so there'd typically be very little difference between the two, as far as your deck is concerned, except that Greaves costs 3 mana less to equip.
Anyway, that's all the advice I had. To recap:
Crackdown
Enlightened Tutor
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Weathered Wayfarer
Consider swapping Mind's Eye in over Tamiyo's Journal.
Consider swapping Lightning Greaves over Mask of Avacyn.
Consider cutting:
Emeria Shepherd. With Weathered Wayfarer, you'll be more easily able to grab Emeria, The Sky Ruin which does her exact same job. Most likely if you have 7 mana to drop on her, you'll be extremely close to meeting the trigger condition for Emeria as well, which Wayfarer also helps.
June 2, 2016 8:19 p.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #23
PookandPie, thanks for the great suggestions!
I see your point regarding Lightning Greaves vs. Mask of Avacyn. Sharing hexproof isn't nearly as valuable as I thought because, as you said, an opponent will just use a targeting spell before combat phase. I made the switch.
I also agree that Mind's Eye is better than Tamiyo's Journal. I don't own a Mind's Eye. I may pick one up to throw in this deck. I wanted to test out the new Clue mechanic. I like it, but Mind's Eye is still probably better.
Crackdown and Kor Haven look like solid suggestions. I hadn't heard of them before. My playgroup doesn't often use high power creatures (I'm the one who does that haha). I could sideboard them though for when I come up against those decks.
Also like your suggestion of Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. I have one copy and it's handing out in my Erebos: sacrifice and recursion deck. If I get a second copy, I'll throw it in here. I'll also look into picking up a copy of Weathered Wayfarer.
I actually decided to go with fewer tutors. I cut Open the Armory. I"ll look into adding Englightened Tutor if I decide to go back to the tutor route.
June 3, 2016 11:19 a.m.
MegaMatt13 says... #24
PookandPie and other commenters:
How do you feel about Chitinous Cloak? I cut it, but now I'm wondering if I should have kept it. Is menace and the +2/+2 buff valuable enough?
June 3, 2016 7:47 p.m.
PookandPie says... #25
You have, what, 13 sources for flying? I don't know of too many decks that are capable of producing a large number of flying creatures (to the point where having menace would matter) aside from maybe Ghave, Guru of Spores or Rhys the Redeemed with Eldrazi Monument out, and if they're in the game then Menace definitely isn't going to help, lol. I typically find trample better, as if you send a huge creature at an opponent who does have 2+ flying creatures they can use to block a big Radiant, Archangel, having trample will still usually allow some damage through whereas Menace typically reads, "Block all except my largest one or two creatures. :(" Menace is kind of a disincentive to block rather, and Deathtouch is very similar in the disincentive to block category to the point where I think you may as well run Basilisk Collar to gain the bonus lifelink over running menace (because, since the large creatures will be blocked anyway in a menace vs deathtouch example, this gives your weaker 1/1s and 2/2s the power to take out higher powered creatures at least).
I think trample is probably better, overall, and I wouldn't blame you if you even wanted to use something like Soul of New Phyrexia in order to get more trample abilities in here (and being able to give your permanents, not just creatures, indestructible without Odric is pure gravy on top of that 6/6 trampling body). Soul of New Phyrexia would have use with and without Odric, and while I'm unsure if you're okay with that 6 mana cost, he's probably the best thing I've found offering Trample in your color identity, lol (most other cards that turned up in my search were pretty bad, like Iron Tusk Elephant).
To summarize my rambling: I don't think the Cloak was all that important. Menace isn't a bad ability, but with all the flying you have in this deck, you're plenty evasive already, and flying + trample is a way stronger combo than flying + menace.
Roccovsky says... #1
Very similar to the idea I had. Thanks for the example.
I'm gonna go Soldier/Angel I think, with a little more aura and a little less equipment, to support a Heroic subtheme (Phalanx Leader, Fabled Hero).
May 25, 2016 12:04 p.m.