Larger than Life: Rhonas the Indomitable
Commander / EDH
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joachimjuncher says... #4
I enjoy the mechanics of your deck. I have made a very similar one myself, and have tested out some of the cards you play, and found them wanting. However, that depends always depends on the playgroup IMO.
Viridian Longbow - While this card seems good on paper with rhonas, it has never given me any real value. As rhonas needs to be first equipped and then tapped to do the shooting, -ideally this means that you have a turn 3 creature shooter where you have spent all ressources up till that point to be able to shoot 1 creature at a time, with everything tapped and nothing to block.
Lifecrafter's Bestiary - I have only ever tried this card out in my Karametra deck, but in that extremely creature heavy deck, it was underwhelming, to say the least. What is your experience with that card?
Berserk - You addressed this card earlier, and i will say that my experience with it is highly positive. (I play Pathbreaker Ibex as well) With all the draw spells based on creature power, it turns "the Rhonas 5 card draw" into 10 card draw. (Greater Good, Life's Legacy, Momentous Fall, Garruk, Primal Hunter) Further more, you can slap it on one of the big creatures like Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, or Terastodon and almost insta kill anyone with leftover HP at that point.
Norwood Priestess - Found the Elvish Piper equivalent simply too slow for my taste, I have played around 5-7 games with that dude out, and it has never yielded me anything good. With the amount of ramp cards you play, i would say that this girl could be cut for something more usefull, but ofc, that depends on your own experience as well.
Cards, you might wanna consider:First two, you have already considered and found wanting Utopia Sprawl, Overgrowth. I have tested these cards, and they are overwhelmingly good. Theyre harder to remove than mana dorks, and they provide infinite mana easily with Earthcraft and Cloudstone Curio. Plus you know, they make the Arbor Elf extremely much better.
Temur Sabertooth This dude is underated IMO. While he provides another bounce effect, the protection of your key creatures is legit and should be a higher priority i think. With some of the mana doublers in play, he also goes infinite. And he has the added benefit of activating your Rhonas for a measly 4 mana.
Rings of Brighthearth - While Rhonas himself has an activated ability, it is not said ability yo usually wanna copy. Fetchlands turn into 2 lands instead of one, Thousand-Year Elixir Wirewood Symbiote Quirion Ranger untaps Selvala, Heart of the Wilds or the like twice. Garruk, Primal Hunter Throws out two dudes, or draws 10 cards. Plus if you insist on running your Longbow shooter, there you go -> boom boom.Aaaand you know, Deserted Temple plus any high producing land (also insert Overgrowth right here) = infinite = kill = win
Homeward Path - I have found, that while having an indestructable commander is all well and good, the worst thing that can happen to this deck is that someone else steals the fucker. In your deck you only have your big eldrazi girl, to get him back (i.e. to command zone then recast]. But it depends on the playgroup i think. In any case it is tutorable with any of your land tutors.
Surrak, the Hunt Caller Another haste enabler, which i have found myself tutoring for loads of times to enable combos. He activates Rhonas, and Rhonas in turn activates his haste ability. also. throw out 10 dmg turn 3 is always good for pressurering controldecks.
Yavimaya Hollow I love this land, as I will often see players trying to mess with the key mana producers. It is a solid card, and will give you a bit more resilience.
Elvish Archdruid I know that you have at some point considered this card. And let me tell you, consider it until you put it in. Do not think of anything else, just do it. Fulfill your dreams and do it. It is cheaper than the Channeler, and provides another easy way to win the game.
In all I liked your take on Rhonas, and it look very very much like my own. I have played it in 1on1 Commander and consistently take wins away from aggro and control. The only deck that has the number on Rhonas is Queen Marchesa control. That burns all lower creatures, and sacs Rhonas in a neverending cycle of dominion over our green dorks. Which makes this deck entirely too slow without the added benefit of small dudes.
You have received an upvote from me. Good Job.
February 14, 2018 5:50 p.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #5
joachimjuncher, Hi! I apologize for such a late reply. The reason is that I've been very busy lately. I'm very grateful to you for taking the time to analyze the deck, and card choice! And thanks for your kind words about the deck! I really appreciate constructive criticism and any suggestions, especially from another mono-green player.
Cards that you suggested to replace:
Viridian Longbow - As you rightly pointed out, it depends on the playgroup. And my playgroup run some realy pesky commanders like Zur the Enchanter, and to be able to destroy them on instant speed is a decent ability, and I try to make the deck as versatile as possible and considering that green is very week in removing creatures, VL seems like a good spell for all those purposes. I agree that its a bit slower then one shot spells, I'll think about it and try to find a good replacement for more tests. What would you put instead of this card?
Lifecrafter's Bestiary - well, I added this card not so long ago, and so far it has performed its functions perfectly - draw additional cards, and scry every upkeep. It is good if you draw it in the beginning - you will at least scry every turn, and it is good to have it in the hand in late game, cuz You usualy have a lot of mana and need more gas (cards) for it. And it has a very good synergy with Cloudstone Curio, Wirewood Symbiote.
Norwood Priestess - well, frankly, there were times when it was a dead draw, or I did not have anything in my hand to cheat in with her ability. But in the same time, more often there were moments of triumph and glory when I was able to drop things like Bane of Progress, Avenger of Zendikar, Terastodon or Craterhoof Behemoth, and all those bobs come in to the battlefield uncounterable with her ability. Needless to say that the deck run some creature untappers, so You can drop bombs even twice in a turn! But I agree with You that this card is a bit slow. If I would cut this card, then what would you suggest to replace it. I'm thinking of replacing her with something like Pattern of Rebirth, Eldritch Evolution or maybe Wayward Swordtooth
Cards that you suggested to add:
Utopia Sprawl, Berserk, Temur Sabertooth, Surrak, the Hunt Caller - all these cards were in the deck and were tested a lot. All of them work fine with Rhonas, but on one of them I would focus my attention - Utopia Sprawl, this card is super great without a doubt, with a pain in my heart, I cut and I returned it several times to the deck, man, its so hard to decide what to cut!
Overgrowth - I'm looking at this magnificent enchantment for a long time, and I would like to find a place for it in the deck, but if I find a slot for it, then I should put Utopia Sprawl first. So that if Overgrowth enters the deck, then only together with Utopia Sprawl.
Rings of Brighthearth is an interesting suggestion! Despite the fact that the card itself does not do anything when it hits the battlefield, It can create very strong synergies and even infinite combinations. I will definitely think about this. And if I add it to the deck, it makes sense to add Basalt Monolith ;).
Homeward Path - I used this card in this deck, and in my other decks. To be honest, the card has never been useful.
Yavimaya Hollow - I also like this land, I would like to find a slot for it, it seems to me a great idea to add more protection for creatures. Especially vulnerable are mana dorks, and opponents try to remove them as quickly as possible in my games.
Elvish Archdruid - I absolutely agree that this is an excellent creature. But as for all previous options, its hard to decide what to cut for it.
Thanks again for all Your suggestions and feedback! I will be happy to look at your decks to, and try to help with my advice!
March 17, 2018 1:21 a.m.
jordanalessi says... #6
I've been experimenting w Rhonas too. His deathtouch + indestructibe turns cards like Pounce & Lure into efficient removal (which is one of green's weaknesses). He's also a great target for things like Soul's Majesty
March 17, 2018 9:03 a.m.
ClockworkSwordfish says... #7
I thought of something that might interest you, though it might be a little too cute for a competitive deck. But Golden Guardian Flip seems to combo well with Rhonas - it can immediately beat its own head in against his Godly pecs and give you another land that can pump out 4/4 tokens. Six mana is a lot to pay for a land, no doubt, but at least it makes two mana!
June 16, 2018 5:59 p.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #8
Thanks for the suggestion, ClockworkSwordfish!
I do like Golden Guardian Flip! Despite the fact that it is a little bit slow, it can become a good advantage engine. I'll try it in my tests!
June 17, 2018 1:49 a.m.
smiffdemon says... #9
The newly printed Ley Weaver can act as a second Argothian Elder, though, I'm not entirely certain you would need it.
July 2, 2018 3:27 a.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #10
Wow, another Argothian Elder!
To be honest, I'm not sure, if its a good decision to run another Elder in the deck. But I will definitely try to give it a chance, and see how it goes.
Thanks!
July 2, 2018 8:33 a.m.
smiffdemon says... #11
I mean, if I had to choose between one and the other, Argothian Elder is a more relevant creature type. However, since I didn't have my own copy of the Elder, well... it still works! C:
July 3, 2018 12:47 a.m.
smiffdemon says... #12
Ah, I forgot to mention, I actually modeled my own Rhonas deck after yours. The Maze of Ith combo just seemed like so much fun, and no one looks at Rhonas thinking "oh, that's a combo deck." Originally, I had planned to use Selvala, but she makes you such a big target, so thank you for putting up your own decklist. It's performing so well!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-indomitable-danger-noodle/?cb=1530646307
July 3, 2018 6:02 p.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #13
Hi, smiffdemon!
Glad that my decklist was useful for You. Yep, Maze combo can be very fast, since it requires only 4 mana and two combo pieces, and green magic has all the needed tutors for those cards! When I started to play with this deck in my playgroup, opponents were surprised with some combos, including Maze combo, and how much value Selvala create with Rhonas. But now, after many games, when they see Elder or Selvala they immediately try to remove them from table ASAP.
I will definitely take a look at your decklist, and try to help with deckbuilding
July 4, 2018 5:57 a.m.
smiffdemon says... #14
So, I was looking around at some cards and I was wondering if you'd ever considered Winding Canyons as an option for this deck? It can easily just be slotted in for a forest and will essentially just give you Yeva, Nature's Herald without taking up a creature slot.
July 4, 2018 3:38 p.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #15
Actualy, Winding Canyons is a very good suggestion! On the other hand, I am concerned that this land is colorless, and there are already a lot of lands in the deck that give a colorless mana. In any case, I really like the capability to give all my creatures flash for mana, without cutting any nonland slot. I need to think now what to cut for testing this land.
Thanks a lot!
July 5, 2018 10:10 p.m.
smiffdemon says... #16
Let me know how it works out for you! I’m also interested in getting it for my deck.
July 6, 2018 8:34 p.m.
Great deck. It really inspired me. I was wondering if you had considered Unbridled Growth?
July 16, 2018 10:05 a.m.
On second though, your problem is cutting for min-maxing, not mana fixing. Time to go to bed. ;)
July 16, 2018 10:11 a.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #19
Anyway, thanks for suggestion and for upvote, ManSauce!
July 17, 2018 5:39 a.m.
I'm getting the impression that this started out as a Rhonas+fight spells deck. At least, your primer suggests as much: "Thus, having an arsenal of specialized spells to destroy creatures with Rhonas." I'm going to read through your change log but I don't see any fight spells in the current list. That said, I really like the list, though I did come here looking for a "Rhonas Fight Club"-style deck.
December 6, 2018 7:36 p.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #21
Yep, I guess You right about how it started out. The deck contained a lot fight spells, and it was more casual I guess. But the deck still run creature removal spells based on Rhonas abilities - Ulvenwald Tracker and Viridian Longbow.
Actually I think You right about that line in primer about creature removal spells, I will later correct it.
December 6, 2018 10:27 p.m.
Holy shit, this is sick af. Good shit, dude! Gonna look at it little more in-depth later and test it out cause it looks fun af.
March 26, 2019 10:55 p.m.
Matrixxx999 says... #25
Wow! Thanks, man! After you test it out, please tell me what you think about it.
justinspruiell says... #2
Loving this list! Gave me some ideas to help push my Rhonas deck Rhonas Fight Club into being more competitive.
January 8, 2018 8:03 p.m.