Oh, it can be a bad topdeck, that's for sure haha. But I believe the potential benefits outweigh the cons. And I don't like running anything more than the flashback value from the black mana. I only have one single source of black mana, and if that is destroyed by Molten Rain, Fulminator Mage, etc. it becomes a completely unplayable card. And I prefer cards that have a "bang" effect rather than an over time effect for this list. Raise the Alarm nets me 2 token ETB trigger immediately, while I would have to wait 2 turns for blossom to do the same.

What about Norin the Wary? He can grab ETB triggers like no other, and it's almost impossible to get rid of him. He may also be useful against blue, since his triggered ability still happens even if your spell gets countered. Also, Rise of the Hobgoblins for a late-game mana sink over Secure the Wastes?

I've thought about Norin the Wary, but I'd rather have it just as is. He makes a bad topdeck compared to the others. And I would just run a second Secure the Wastes over hobgoblins.

Triplicate Spirits is better than Spectral Procession

I'll take this one xzzane.

Not even close. Triplicate is a gimmicky card completely dependent on your current board state. Convoke isn't a stellar mechanic in general for this reason. You could drop no creatures on Turns 1 and 2 (which is fine, you're setting up support for your tokens on those turns), and still have a Turn 3 play with Spectral. It gives more dudes than Lingering Souls, and they have flying, unlike Timely Reinforcements. Without it, you would have to wait until Turn 5 or so before a Triplicate drop, because one would likely prefer dropping Purphoros, God of the Forge on Turn 4. This is assuming you have any creatures on the board by Turn 5. If not, you're paying the full 6 mana for 3 dudes, on Turn SIX, also assuming you hit every single land drop, which you could have just paid 3 for with Spectral 3 turns ago.

you cannot play a 6 CMC card on turn 3 without 6 mana!

how are you getting 6 mana in this deck before turn 3 to play Spectral Procession???

you cant.... that's how

Because you can pay for Spectral Procession instead of . So you CAN get it on T3. With a painful landbase. That's what a symbol means: you can either pay or .

Retread spectrical, or the rules. You can pay any combination of or . This way you can pay 2WW. Or WWW. Or 22W or 222. It's WAY, more verso tailor then triplicate spirits.

I've been arguing this with cicjose for some time now if you'd care to read my recent comments. I'm afraid I lost my temper with him in our latest conversation. Thanks for providing additional support everyone haha.

so you are going to discard the rules text that says the converted mana cost for Spectral Procession is 6?

sounds like the rules dont matter to you

Just because the CMC is 6 doesn't mean that you have to pay to cast it. This card, for example, has an alternate cost of .

xzzane Between the argument(s) on 2.0 and this now, seems like your token builds brings out all the hate from people :)

I have explained the rules of Spectral Procession NUMEROUS times to you Cicjose. And haha that does seem to be the case, FAMOUSWATERMELON xD

Make sure you have enough destroy enchantment cards... Virulent Plague is a thing...

Not really, randy. Tokens is a very uncommondeck, and people won't expect to see it. This deck can win on ETB damage alone as well, though it's a last resort type option. If it comes up in my meta I'll just replace some cards for Wear / Tear or Sundering Growth

Cicjose Spectral Procession has a cmc of 6 because that is the maximum it can cost. Therefore it is automatically labeled as such. On the other hand just like you have card that can have a dual mana cost of blue/black, red/green, etc where you can pay either mana to pay for it, spectral procession has a special cost where you can either pay 3 white mana, 2 white mana and 2 of any other type, 1 white and 4 of any other type, or just 6 mana of any type. It's cmc on the card shows 2/w 2/w 2/w which means for each of the 3 symbols you can either pay a white or two colorless (any color mana). As such if you have access to 3 white mana on turn 2 or 3 you can play it then.

Does this clarify your confusion?

@Cicjose sounds like you are a troll and should just be blocked, because no serious person would use the "rules text" as the basis for thier argument.

sounds like your posts don't matter to anyone

Iv linked you to where things will be clarified Cicjose. Let's hope you will then understand.

Cicjose: Converted mana cost does not equal the mana you have to cast it. Converted mana cost is simply a method for users to dictate something of how much the card is worth when it interacts with another card's effect. Dark Confidant is a great example.

Did you know that Hangarback Walker has a converted mana cost of 0, but if you spend 8 mana on it, it has a casting cost of 8 mana at that time? But then the moment it hits the board, it once against has a converted mana cost of 0.

Well, I gues femme made it really clear. Now my thread is obsolete. Soooooo, femme, good job explaining. Cya.

@RandyRanderson The few people who have token hate in the sideboard usually run Illness in the Ranks, because it is much cheaper, and most if not all decks that mass-produce tokens FTW mainly produce 1/1s. Illness targets these, because other bigger problem tokens can be dealt with by using spot removal. And Illness can also be dealt with using the current sideboard, in Engineered Explosives.

So Cicjose blocked me. Most amusing.

don't worry, i posted a direct link to the ruling of the card for the WoTC site. can't argue with the makers of the card. And ill probably join you in this club soon.

Well I don't know what you posted, but you'll probably end up blocked as well haha. Not sure why he blocked me in all honesty. It would have been understandable if he had done so after my RTFC comment to him, but he stuck around a bit longer.

xzzane, are you up for an untap game? i haven't faced you yet.

xzzane the reason is irrelevant. All that matters now is that we'll have some peace and quiet... Although this is magic so that never lasts for long. Only as long until the next set/ban list comes out and everyone is in a uproar again