DanTheBear says... #2
xyr0s Thanks for the tips friend. I'm not sure how I forgot about Lightning Bolt. And even thou he may not be the best Ember-Eye Wolf has saved my life on more than 1 occasion and is one of my favorite red creatures.
March 6, 2018 8:25 p.m.
You should go up to the full set of Lightning Bolts, perhaps instead of 1 Abrade.
I think this monored deck is missing the greatest strength, other monored aggro decks have: The ability to deal 10 damage by turn 2. The best-case turn 2 with this deck is something like 8 (Falkenrath Gorger + Lightning Bolt + Built to Smash), which is sorta decent, but can be disrupted by a single blocker or removal spell. The other approach is Monastery Swiftspear + 2 Lightning Bolt/Lava Spike - 1 damage from attack turn 1, 6 damage from spells turn 2, followed by a 3 damage prowess-boosted attack. A removal spell still takes care of the Monastery Swiftspear, but it doesn't stop the burn spells. And it is a bit important to have the potential to hit that hard, that early, since it deters your opponent from using fetch- and shocklands to assemble a solid manabase early on.
My monored aggro/burn deck Daughters first deck for comparison and inspiration.
March 7, 2018 3:09 a.m.
DanTheBear says... #4
xyr0s thanks for the help I'm not used to modern as a format quite yet and red isn't my most played color either.
March 7, 2018 6:33 a.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r says... #5
Why use Blood Mist when you can use Blood Moon or Blood Sun? Also a great cheap alternative to Ember-Eye Wolf (which as xyr0s said should not be in the deck) is Kari Zev, Skyship Raider or Kiln Fiend but they arent the best but they are the best 2 drops for burn that are cheap
Also i would like to go further then what xyr0s said and say that if your burn deck is to cheap that it cant include 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Lava Spike 4 Rift Bolt and 4 Searing Blaze then it shouldnt be made.
Also i would sugest that you add 4 Lava Axe since it seams like you are going with a madness theme
I would also really consider putting in Bomat Courier as it is the only real replacement for Goblin Guide which i would say is a must in any burn deck but isnt cheap
I hope i dont sound pretentious im just here to help
March 29, 2018 4:17 a.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r says... #6
I meant to say Lightning Axe instead of Lava Axe
Also Fiery Temper is a card to consider if you are going the madness route
March 29, 2018 4:27 a.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r- I don't understand why you suggested Blood Moon or Blood Sun.
March 29, 2018 9:11 a.m.
Agent_Fire says... #8
Blood Moon allows you take advantage of greed mana bases. However Blood Sun is almost useless.
March 29, 2018 11:05 a.m.
DanTheBear says... #9
Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate all suggestions.
March 29, 2018 2:25 p.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r says... #10
Blood Sun is a good sideboard card incase you are facing the creature lands or the Titan Shift decks as the land in those decks burns you
March 29, 2018 5:08 p.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r says... #11
Blood Sun is mainly for Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle which is the main win condition for Titan Shift
March 29, 2018 5:15 p.m.
Lightning Axe... not a very good card in a burn deck, since it can only target creatures. The madness enabler is nice though, but it's still a lot better to shoot at opponents face than at creatures. All the burn spells in your sideboard would fit better with this slot, for various reasons.
And yes, 5 damage to a creature is a lot. Only problem is, that if you get into a face-punching contest on removing each others creatures, you'll lose (any opponent willing to do so has ways to draw ahead either on removal or on creatures). It gets even worse if you don't draw any anything with madness. Then you literally spend 2 cards to get rid of 1. From what I've heard, the general rule is to avoid 2-for-1's in opponents favor :)
March 30, 2018 2:37 p.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r says... #13
xyr0s i had mentioned Lightning Axe because it is a great madnees card and seems like DanTheBear is going with a madness theme, but Lightning Axe by no means should replace Lightning Bolt, Lava Spike, Rift Bolt, or Searing Blaze in a burn deck. I would put Fiery Temper in before i put Lightning Axe in.
Also DanTheBear i see that you have put Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle in your "Maybe" section i would suggest that you dont put it in your deck. Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle is a great card when it is in the right deck Mono Red burn is not that deck it works great in Titan Shift because there are cards in that deck the put more mountains on the battle field. Having Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle in a burn deck means you would have to wait untill turn 6 for it to deal damage which if you havent won by turn 4 with burn you have lost.
All in all i like the improvements you have made i would still like to see Kiln Fiend in place of Ember-Eye Wolf though.
March 30, 2018 4:56 p.m.
DanTheBear says... #14
When I first posted this deck it was a turn 5-6 win but now turn 3-4 easily. Thanks for all the help, I appreciate all comments and any advice is taken into consideration. This is as much yall's deck as it is mine.
March 30, 2018 10:34 p.m.
@DanTheBear Having looked a bit at it, your deck isn't one deck - it's about 3 different decks, which share the color red (and a full set of Lightning Bolts), but otherwise are quite different. There's a burn deck in there, there's a prowess/kiln fiend deck, and there's bits of 8whack. Perhaps you should try making a list for each of them, play them a bit, and see which one you like better? All of them can be done for a pretty reasonable budget, and allow for a bit of creative additions, at least if you aren't headed to a heavily competitive meta.
Burn: More spells that go for the dome, at the lowest cost available.
Kiln combo: More spells for boosting, preferably without paying much mana - like Mutagenic Growth. Gets better and more consistent by adding some blue cards.
8whack: Go wide - make tokens, and buff up the whole team, making each buff count for a whole lot. Comes in robot (artifact creatures for 0 mana, and Kuldotha Rebirth) and goblin variety.
March 31, 2018 6:09 a.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r says... #16
Thats a good observation xyr0s i think the deck will need to include mutiple elements if DanTheBear wants to keep it MONORED and cheap, but it can forsurely be more focused. I would say either go Burn&8whack with it or Burn&Prowess the second being my recommendation.
Burn elements of your deck:
Prowess elements of your deck:
8whack elements of your deck: (disclaimer i dont know much about 8whack so take this part with a grain of salt)
March 31, 2018 3:10 p.m.
0b1ivi0nwa1k3r says... #17
Here is a 8 whack deck that would be pretty cheap to make if you took out Goblin Guide, Blood Moon, and Cavern of Souls. Cutting those cards would make the deck around 100$ and still pretty decent.
Creature (31)
4x Goblin Guide
2x Mogg Fanatic
Instant (6)
2x Glorious End
Land (19)
17x Mountain
Sorcery (4)
Sideboard (15)
2x Blood Moon
3x Forked Bolt
1x Harsh Mentor
March 31, 2018 3:20 p.m.
I don't think there should be combined elements, since the parts for each strategy interact poorly with parts from other strategies. Take the bushwhackers as an example - they give a +1/+0 bonus to your whole team, no matter how big the team. If your team happens to be 4 1/1 goblin tokens, you get 4 power from it. If it happens to be a single kiln fiend, you spend 2 mana for 1 power. Another thing: prowess only triggers of non-creature spells. You'd not really want much prowess in a deck which mainly consists of creatures. And so on and on. As soon as you try to make a two-aggro-decks-in-60-cards package deal, you start losing games because you don't get to decide which deck you draw from, and get cards from the wrong deck at the wrong time.
April 1, 2018 8:13 a.m.
DanTheBear says... #19
So I've bought and tested this version of the deck. It works well vs my local meta so I think I'm going to stick with this one for now. Don't let that stop you from commenting your suggestions/questions. Thank you all for the help feel free to check out my other decks and leave comments their too.
April 11, 2018 6:57 a.m.
Does Conduit of Storms Flip really help? I feel that in a monored deck trying to be fast, a three mana creature without haste shouldn't really be in it unless it's really amazing and game-winning.
I also think Bomat Courier would be really good, as has already been suggested, especially since you already run Built to Smash and don't have any artifact creatures at the moment to take advantage of its bonus.
April 11, 2018 7:25 a.m.
DanTheBear says... #21
ellie-is I run him purely for the read manna he produces, I'll try Bomat Courier and if he is more useful ill swap it out.
April 11, 2018 1:42 p.m.
I just faced off against this deck. I might have gotten a bit of whiplash. I blame you for this monstrosity and my bruised ego, but mostly my ego.
April 22, 2018 7:19 p.m.
you should really streamline your creatures a bit Deranged Whelp for example does virtually nothing for your deck. Reckless Bushwhacker only makes sence in a creature build an you are playing a creature spell deck. Conduit of Storms Flip is too expensive and doesnt do enough for your deck.
Your sideboard is also pretty bad Rift Bolt can be a maindeck card but its not a sideboard card at all.
Why do you have Borrowed Hostility and Kari Zev in your sideboars at all? against which decks would you want t bring them in?
Smash to Smithereens is a great sideboard card as is Molten Rain
xyr0s says... #1
That's a lot of land, for a deck that tries to count out 20 damage as fast as possible. About 20 lands should be enough (that means you get to hit the first 3 land drops, and adjust mana curve correspondingly).
You don't get to play red aggro (or any other red) in modern without Lightning Bolt. My personal limit on how low you can go with a budgetdeck is: "If it's too budget for Lightning Bolt, it's not going to be any good anyway". And that might sound arrogant, but then... this deck is tagged "competitive" and it would definitely be more competitive with a set of bolts.
Uncaged Fury is a really weak boost, considering its mana cost (so... 3 mana to boost Ember-Eye Wolf to deal 3 more damage?)
Ember-Eye Wolf has a bit of a no-no: It requires you to spend mana. But since you presumable tap out to play new cards every turn, until you win or run out of cards, its pumping ability will never be relevant. You could play Abbot of Keral Keep instead.
Is "pay 4 mana: Target creature gains double strike" really what you want to do on turn 4 with an aggressive red deck? Blood Mist will turn out to be exactly that, most often. It's not a bad card in a budget deck, but you'd probably rather play it in a deck that goes for a longer game, and which fewer attackers with higher impact.
March 6, 2018 7:27 a.m.