I like the splash for Lingering Souls. In what matchups have you found the most success with it?
March 17, 2018 2:21 p.m.
Chasmolinker says... #4
Lingering Souls is great as a discard with Liliana of the Veil. It really helps stabilize and lets me swing with Tarmogoyf and leave up blockers. Forcing blocks or getting in for damage. Against Mirror matches it gives a nice upper hand. Also, against aggro decks it lets me flood the board with creatures easily. Its not uncommon to have goyf, bob, bbe, and two spirit tokens in play.
March 17, 2018 4:54 p.m.
I get why it's good, but what I'm wondering is what matchups have YOU found where it scored a homerun. Basically, what in your meta is it good against (specific decks).
March 17, 2018 5:51 p.m.
darklord1135 says... #6
Amazing deck but card explanation needs work, you don't say anything on Lingering Souls and some cards like Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet aren't in the deck anymore. As for sideboard, some cards are just bad like Scarab Feast which only exiles three cards for a whole mana! If you play it for the cycling sometimes to draw a card, I would recommend Relic of Progenitus or to save mana maybe Tormod's Crypt. Another one is Victim of Night, in which terminate is just so much better, AND you don't need the double black. But great deck +1!
April 1, 2018 6:46 p.m.
darklord1135 I think you mistook the sideboard for the maybeboard, buddy. Look again...
April 2, 2018 3:06 p.m.
Chasmolinker says... #8
darklord1135 thanks for pointing out the Lingering Souls bit. Scarab Feast was a card I was curious about if it would translate into modern as cheap instant speed graveyard hate. DarkStarStorm is right about those cards being in the maybe board. I keep cards in the maybe board as cards in my toolbox depending on the meta. I will see if I can update the card explanations tomorrow. Ive been meaning to do a full update on the primer section but havent gotten around to it.
As for Relic of Progenitus, Im not sure how I feel about it. Although it can be good against a delirium deck. It may do well against the mirror. Ill have to test that.
April 2, 2018 8:28 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #9
In general, Nihil Spellbomb is better than Relic for decks with access to black. Leaving your own graveyard for Goyf is a huge plus.
But frankly I don't think Nihil Spellbomb isn't strong enough when you need it. If you want to hate on something like Hollow One, then you need the likes of Leyline of the Void or Rest in Peace since you have white.
Also I totally took your idea of Lingering Souls in a non-white deck and put it into my Grixis Delver deck. Now I board into Lingering Souls vs Control and Midrange. So thanks for the idea! It's some sweet tech.
April 3, 2018 12:26 a.m.
Chasmolinker says... #10
Thats awesome. Im hesitant to bring in Leyline of the Void in jund because of Bob triggers. Its more for mono black. Scavenging Ooze works well enough with Nihil Spellbomb as a security blanket.
April 3, 2018 6:50 a.m.
buckeyetron says... #11
25 lands is probably too many. maybe cut it down to 24. i'd also probably up the creature count to 16. if less than 1/4 of your deck is creatures, then on average you'd need to see 12 cards from your deck before you saw a 3rd creature, which puts you at turn 6 if you're on the play. i also think it'd help if instead of running 1 or 2 of so much stuff, you picked the best ones and ran 4. some of your mainboard cards could be moved to the sideboard as they are more situational.
April 9, 2018 10:38 a.m.
Chasmolinker says... #12
Thanks for checking out the deck buckeyetron. The deck runs 25 lands for 2 reasons. Number one is hitting a land drop on every turn is crucial for getting a T4 Bloodbraid Elf. Secondly, by running 5 manlands, 3 Raging Ravine and 2 Treetop Village, the deck needs a lot of mana to fuel the activation cost. If the deck ever goes back to running 2-3 manlands, 24 lands would probably suffice.
The removal suite in this deck is very flexible and debatable and is very meta dependent. Fatal Push/Terminate favors Humans and general aggro. Abrupt Decay is more for control and Affinity or Lantern. Lightning Bolt is a general catch-all and is the best of the three to hit off Bloodbraid Elf as there is always a target.
Thoughtseize is run as a one of simply to avoid over shocking ourselves however it is often a vital tool against big mana decks and control. I could see going up to 2 copies and cutting one Inquisition of Kozilek. A one of Maelstrom Pulse is a catch-all that is sometimes the only answer for general enchantment and planeswalker removal. Kolaghan's Command is a great utility card that 99% of the time has 2 relevant modes. Some decks run 1 Kolaghan's Command MB/1 SB and 2 Maelstrom Pulse MB. This again is driven by the meta.
The only card I could see potentially being too situational would be Liliana, the Last Hope but with the meta being as aggressive as it is right now, I prefer to have one MB and one additional SB for humans.
I hope that helps some. Please let me know what SPECIFIC examples you have if you disagree with any of the above statements. The deck really runs well and has a sort of toolbox-y feel to it at times. You often have to decide whether to "Bolt the Bird" / "Push the Bird" / "Decay the Bird" and choosing the correct one can determine the outcome of the game.
April 9, 2018 12:01 p.m.
Chasmolinker says... #13
Also, with regards to the creature count. Typically there would be an additional Scavenging Ooze and either Tireless Tracker or Kitchen Finks. But because I'm running Lingering Souls, I'm only running 2 copies of Scooze. If I ever cut the Lingering Souls I would run a third Scavenging Ooze and Kitchen Finks. That or a second Maelstrom Pulse.
April 9, 2018 12:05 p.m.
grumbledore says... #14
how often do you get stuck with souls in your hand and no way to cast it or discard it?
April 9, 2018 5:09 p.m.
Chasmolinker says... #15
Once in a while scrotality. Ive played Inquisition of Kozilek targeting myself once so far just to get Lingering Souls in the yard.
April 9, 2018 7:19 p.m.
Chasmolinker says... #16
Ive hit it off Bloodbraid Elf more often than Ive been stuck with it.
April 9, 2018 7:20 p.m.
I'm surprised how well this deck Mono Red Hollow One (Avg. CMC .517) playtested against an all powerful jund deck. I would have built a variant of jund if Liliana of the Veil wasn't so expensive. Great deck btw!! +1
April 16, 2018 1:09 a.m.
Chasmolinker says... #18
Yeah hollow one is a pretty rough match-up right now. Thats part of the reason Terminate and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet have rejoined the 75.
April 16, 2018 11:16 a.m.
Chasmolinker says... #19
Also I added Rakdos Charm in the SB over Fatal Push
April 16, 2018 11:19 a.m.
Hunson_Abadeer says... #20
So youve cut Lingering Souls? Was it not as good as you hoped it to be in mirror/grindy matchups?
What did you put back in its place?
April 16, 2018 2:01 p.m.
Chasmolinker says... #21
Hunson_Abadeer Lingering Souls was really bad against Hollow One decks. All it did was stall the game, it didnt actually answer the threat. I considered Goblin Rabblemaster but decided that a 3rd Scavenging Ooze was better positioned to handle the graveyard ahenanigans that deck employs. I also revamped the sideboard to give me better hate cards such as Rakdos Charm. I also added Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip. I think it will be interesting to see what she does for the deck. The thought of having 3 liliana walkers in play at once is bonkers.
April 16, 2018 3:26 p.m.
Hunson_Abadeer says... #22
I can dig it man, love the deck and cant wait to see how far you go with it
April 16, 2018 5:09 p.m.
I play a similar deck. What are your thoughts on Damping Sphere? I currently have 4 Fulminator Mage and 1 Pithing Needle and I want to change that to a 3/2 split between fulminator and sphere. Sphere isn't a silver bullet but it hits a lot of different decks.
April 18, 2018 10:59 a.m.
grumbledore says... #25
saw your update. jund has always (for me at least) been awesome because you can have a sideboard filled with multipurpose one-ofs that hit lots of decks. lately though ive been feeling that the meta is just so freaking wide right now, and that i should just go all in on the decks that wreck me routinely regardless of what i brought in. decks like valakut, affinity, tron, etc. it sucks that even affinity is dangerous now because our removal is so low. anyways, now my sideboard is very focused on just hitting those decks. ive only taken it to one modern night so far, but it felt much more focused and stronger. i think its something im gonna keep doing for a while.
Chasmolinker says... #1
Thanks for checking in. I have made some BIG changes. I've splashed for Lingering Souls and it has been doing pretty good. I plan on taking it to my LGS tonight. I'm still toying with a couple ideas but I think this list is what I'm going to run for a couple weeks. I might drop one Kolaghan's Command for a second Maelstrom Pulse. I also haven't decided if I want to run Mountain or keep it at 24. I flood out often enough that I don't like the thought of 25 lands. But Lingering Souls has been a really nice addition. Also cutting Bloodbraid Elf down to 3 seems right for the build I'm running.
March 13, 2018 12:14 p.m.