Maybe, it will give me some +2/+2 for 1 cmc, witch is pretty good and fast enough for this deck. I might remove Geralf's Messenger for it. I'll have to make some tests. But I probably won't put more then 2 of them.
April 14, 2013 12:30 p.m.
i'm wondering what purpose Experiment One has. Cause i could see more use off a Young Wolf or somehting for the sac and undying.
April 14, 2013 4:19 p.m.
First of all, I've got 4 Experiment One and no Young Wolf , but more than that, the One could become a 3/3 on the 3rd turn while the Wolf can't. For the sac for Killing Wave , I don't really care if it survive or not since that spell usually end the game.
Still, I haven't tried the wolf yet and it might be a good idea, I will have try it.
April 14, 2013 6:33 p.m.
I have thought about it and I would not play Young Wolf since it often is my opponent's choice if the wolf get bigger or not. Experiment One on the other hand will get bigger than the wolf when I decide it. I don't want to get stuck with a 1/1 wolf that never get blocked or killed. And if they kill my Experiment One , well then be it, it would have just cost me 1cmc.
April 14, 2013 7:25 p.m.
Overall I like the list. There are only a few things I would personally change if this were my deck. I would -1 or -2 Rancor and find a way to +1 or +2 Abrupt Decay or Tragic Slip . I just think 5 that interact with the other player's deck is a bit low. However, you know your deck better than I do so if it's working for you, don't change it.
With your mana base, I find it difficult to not have 3-4 Geralf's Messenger main board. That card is so good with blood artist on the board and a great answer to control matchups. Plus, it's one more creature that is resilient to sweepers.
Last, I personally don't advocate having so many 1-of cards in your sideboard. In particular, the ones I like the least are:
1x Cellar Door This card seems very mana intensive. You want to leave 1 black open for Lotleth Troll so you need 4 mana in order to do this consistently, which seems a bit slow for your deck. What situations has 1x of this card proved useful?
1x Cremate If you're looking for some graveyard hate, I'd much rather go with a Tormod's Crypt (and 2x at that).
1x Duress Great card. Wish you had 2x in the sideboard.
1x Ghost Quarter Great card, but all the lands you want to blow up the most are going to be late game threats. You don't want to be playing when the game gets to this point. And 1x doesn't guarantee that you'll get the card when you need it. Increase to 2-3x or consider removing.
1x Giant Growth Not sure what situations you would bring this in.
1x Naturalize Does your local store play a lot of artifacts that you need to destroy? Abrupt Decay should handle most artifacts or enchantments that hurt your deck so I'd rather bring in 4x of those in games 2-3 and ditch this card.
1x Treasured Find A buddy of mine had a great conversation about this card. I asked him "What if I have a win condition in my graveyard that I need to go get?" and he said "I'd rather just draw another win condition." - I understand the appeal, but another more powerful card could go in this slot.
1x Unbreathing Horde Seems like something you'd rather mainboard. In what matchup would you bring this in? And what would you take out? Honestly, I just don't think you need it.
So in general, I like the deck. But the sideboard is the main area that I'm confused about. I'm sure you have your reasons for all of these choices, but that is my feedback. You get a +1 from me anyway. I am trying to put together a Varolz Jund Scavenge deck and it would be totally awesome if you would consider swinging by and checking it out. I literally just put it together today so I'm not 100% decided on anything but it's a good start at least. If you like, take a look and let me know what you think: Jund Scavenge
April 14, 2013 8:57 p.m.
@ dubron
You've got some great suggestions there. For the mainboard, I am always happy when I draw a Rancor , even if I already have 2 or 3 in my hand. I feel like this card is THAT good in this deck. Plus I don't really feel like adding more control cards in this deck, and I prefer to put pressure than to destroy what the other player is putting on the battlefield. They are rarely as fast as I am.
For the sideboard, I must say that I totally agree with you, it's so so or maybe just plain bad. I haven't really worked on it and it needs a lot of work. Right now, I am tired and I must work tomorrow morning, but maybe tomorrow or the day after, I will look at all those good comments you made and I will make a better sideboard. I will also look at your deck and try to give you as good comments as you gave me.
Thank you
April 14, 2013 9:25 p.m.
I'm sorry to see that you don't believe this deck can win a FNM, but I respect your position. It is so easy to lie on the Internet that I cannot be mad about you being septic. I still think that most of the people on tappedout speak the truth. We all get some kind of pride in beating other players and other decks in magic, that cannot be achieved in telling that we won games that we did not.
April 15, 2013 4:04 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #11
I don't think his opinion is very valid, jokercrow.
You have a pretty solid looking deck here, and i see how it works :)
Easily able to perform very well.
April 15, 2013 4:13 p.m.
Thank you Milady, it's always good to get backup, especially when it's by a good deck builder like you. : D
April 15, 2013 4:25 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #13
:D
one of the best combos with golgari aggro is the Gravecrawler + Rancor combo.
Because... even if they waste a kill card on either of them, you'll get it back :3
That is... if you have another zombie buddy to help him!
April 15, 2013 4:52 p.m.
Firstly, I suggest either Wolfir Silverheart for late game or Yeva natures herald
4x Predator Ooze is almost a must have. Giving that thing rancor is almost game and not enough decks can remove it. With Yeva you can flash this thang in to block and drive people crazt.
April 19, 2013 2:17 p.m.
I fell like these cards are out of my mana curve and to slow for this deck. I still probably will make some tests because sometimes I get surprise by cards that I would normally not consider.
Thank you hickit for your suggestions.
April 19, 2013 5:45 p.m.
@ Vos_Is_Boss, I will never see Gravecrawler the same way... :-)
April 19, 2013 5:47 p.m.
Predator Ooze is nice, but far too slow without a couple of Corpsejack Menace and that's a different deck.
April 20, 2013 10:39 p.m.
the only thing i woupd change for sure is -1 Ultimate Price for Abrupt Decay and -1 rancor for Killing Wave
i also second Predator Ooze and you may consider Vampire Nighthawk or Heartless Summoning and Falkenrath Noble combo solid deck though.id like you to look at my deck liliana for the win. congrats on first place. and if you consistently get 1st, dont fix something that isnt broken. +1 from me
April 23, 2013 2:11 p.m.
Vos_Is_Boss says... #19
that Putrefy could be good as well... comin OUT SOOOON!
April 23, 2013 2:20 p.m.
I just realized... your mana curve is so low, do you really need 23 land? I've seen plenty of aggro decks that curve out at 4 drops playing 22 land. So you could consider -3 land so you can fit in either a few more creatures, or those Putrefy as Vos_Is_Boss is suggesting.
April 23, 2013 2:25 p.m.
@ dbrannon, I think you might be right about Abrupt Decay and maybe about Killing Wave too, but it won't be without another Blood Artist .
All my 3cmc creatures do something on the 3rd turn, Predator Ooze don't, like Vampire Nighthawk that I already tested. That's why I don't think it could help the deck. Both could be sideboard choice thought... Falkenrath Noble is definitely awesome and plays exactly how I would like, but I won't splash red in the deck reducing my chance of getting the land I need on the first turn for just 1 or 2 cards. Because at 4cmc, I would not put more than 2 on the deck. It would also report my Killing Wave / Blood Artist combo to the 5th turn witch might be to late in some case.
Heartless Summoning and Falkenrath Noble are a very cool combo, but I would need to change my deck to much to make it work so I won't do it. But thanks for showing me that, I haven't thought about how good could Heartless Summoning be in that kind of deck.
Anyway, I will definitely remove my Ultimate Price for another Abrupt Decay and will make some tests with more Killing Wave / Blood Artist . Thank you for your input.
@ Vos_Is_Boss, Putrefy cost 1 cmc more than I would like for my mainboard, but it will probably find some place in my sideboard that isn't completed anyway.
@ dubron, You might be right, but I guess that I am just to scared. In my first tournament, I finished 2-2 in part because I had to muligan twice in one game because of mana problem. I have a mono black deck with 17 lands, but I feel like in two colors, it's harder to do. Still, I will make some tests like dbrannon suggested, and I will probably add those cards while removing 1 or maximum 2 lands.
April 23, 2013 5:04 p.m.
Sweet deck, +1. Care to give me any tips on my Golgari deck? The strategy is a bit different from yours, see what you think!
April 24, 2013 10:03 a.m.
average mana cost bellow 2 and max out mana cost at 3?? with Blood Artist + Killing Wave combo along with Gravecrawler returning from the remains??? sounds pretty badass. +1
improphet77 says... #1
will Varolz, the Scar-Striped enter your deck after dragons maze http://www.mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/varolzthescarstriped.html
April 13, 2013 11:30 p.m.