The Evolution of Burn

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Feralforce says... #1

I think read the bones is better than Sign in Blood. Also I dont think I agree with 2 Searing blood>2 Stoke the Flames.

January 21, 2015 6:17 a.m.

xGhostx says... #2

Going to making some major changes today. Stay Tuned. Getting back to basics. Feel this build has stumbled too far off course from what the initial intent of the build was.

January 21, 2015 9:11 a.m.

xGhostx says... #3

Made some updates and changes, Opted to run with Humble Defector as a 4of rather then Read the Bones or Sign in Blood I like the draw engine, plus once I pass him he becomes easy target for Searing Blood hitting prowess triggers of Monastery Mentor and the Lifelink trigger from Soulfire Grand Master

Also dropped to 3of each Soulfire and Mentor.

Thoughts?

January 21, 2015 1:06 p.m.

Babuchas3000 says... #4

IMHO, i think this was running fine before the major changes, i mean no misrespect to anybody who commented... But they don't know how does Soulfire Grand Master work:

First, casting Sign in Blood or Read the Bones while you have grand master in the battlefield don't prevent nor gain 'lifelink' because is a loss of life, which is not considered as 'damage' (really, is not the same).

Second, Satyr Firedancer is not that good, although it becomes handy at times, but most of it you'll have a creature that doesn't do anything for you, specially if the opponent run few creatures

Third, i guess you felt by the pressure put in you (sorry man), Monastery Mentor is really a good card, but not for this deck, i mean, what are you trying to do with it? IMHO (again) i think it do not fit this deck and what you're trying to do with it, for that matter you can even add Brimaz, King of Oreskos because is a good card, you see what i'm trying to explain?

So, sorry if you feel i wrote a lot and made you read a Bible!, but i guess your first game plan was pretty solid and there was no need to make more changes, and if there's anything more i can do to help please let me know!

January 21, 2015 1:09 p.m.

xGhostx says... #5

Back to 4of Grand Master and 0of Mentor. The way the build was intended.

I do like Humble Defector as an efficient draw engine here then burn target with Searing Blood as the deck with a Avg CMC of just over 2.00 is gonna flash its hand within the first few turns. I need an efficient way to draw cards.

January 21, 2015 1:17 p.m.

xGhostx says... #6

Butcher of the Horde is back as a 2of Mainboard

January 21, 2015 1:19 p.m.

xGhostx says... #7

Chandra, Pyromaster mainboard? Side? Or at all?

January 21, 2015 1:23 p.m.

Babuchas3000 says... #8

Yeah!, that's the way!, and remember: you can draw your 2 cards with Humble Defector AND sacrifice it to the Butcher of the Horde to activate any of his abilities in case you don't have any Searing Blood. I cannot give you any more votes, but if i could you know you surely count with it!

January 21, 2015 1:26 p.m.

Runlue says... #9

January 21, 2015 1:36 p.m.

xGhostx says... #10

Hey Runlue I have thought about the Whip, but I am not sure how beneficial it would be seeing as Creatures are not really the main wincon of the deck. I think it might make a good SB addition though! As the deck can get pretty creature heavy if I need it to.

January 21, 2015 1:41 p.m.

Runlue says... #11

I was thinking it would go fantastic with Monastery Mentor, but it seems you took him out of the pile haha. Still though, I really like it, +1.

January 21, 2015 1:58 p.m.

xGhostx says... #12

Yeah it would have worked well with Mentor. But I just felt that the deck was trying to do to much with the mentor in here, was getting too far off the original concept.

January 21, 2015 3:18 p.m.

johnsongrantr says... #13

ehh, I think these changes are bad, but I did copy the deck when you made your last changes, I want to build something very similar to this and that was the direction I'll be taking mine

I feel that defector is way worse than read the bones or sign in blood for the purpose of card draw. The only way he's any better is if you can eat him with butcher, otherwise he's a bad card. Spending a removal spell to get rid of a guy you are giving them just for the 3 damage is marginally acceptable at best. Sure he's a 2/1 body that can swing when you don't need juice, but is vulnerable to removal until your next turn when you do. He needs to survive a whole turn to get that card draw and on an empty board state with top deck you're possibly giving them the same advantage. I see it as the same reason perilous vault is worse at board wipes than end hostilities even though it hits everything and exiles them. Giving them a whole turn to find an answer if they don't want you to draw. None conditional to be awesome is better than specific conditions to be slightly better.

I like the mentor because he is a solid threat, but the same could be said for butcher or rabble or stombreath. Things that will end the game quickly if given a clear path. But decision should come into which one synergies best with the rest of the deck. The reason I said firedancer yes is to remove their dudes, but to stabilize the board in case you're being outraced. Mentor allows you to produce a 3 for one action, make a dude, kill a dude, burn their face. Playing a creatureless control deck? sideboard him out with another threat then. But your win condition of burn will work because you don't have to worry about a race at that point. How often do you run into a no creature control deck though? UB control? That's the only one I'm aware of.

Either way, I'll keep checking back on this, but you've inspired me to follow through with either a boros, mardu, or jeskai burn deck with a solid framework to work with, thanks.

January 21, 2015 4:25 p.m.

xGhostx says... #14

Thanks johnsongrantr

Certainly hear what your saying, and I think the meta, at least in the short term is going to be 50/50 of U/B Control with Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and some form of Prowess Tokens using Monastery Mentor be it Jeskai/Boros/Mardu

At this time, I dont think Satyr Firedancer is going to make the build, playtesting just showed him to lackluster..but that could change still....... That said, Humble Defector has certainly not secured a position either and I am still on the fence about Read the Bones taking that spot as a 2 or 3of. testing with Sign in Blood proved to not be efficient when compared to Read the Bones and Humble Defector

As of right now, I am toying with Humble Defector + Searing Blood as I like the combo of 2 red to gain 5 life, draw 2 cards and deal 3 damage :) but of course, that combo is very conditional. Might be a little to janky for competitive play.

Still got a few days for tweaks and changes, and I am sure FNM will shed some light on things I missed. More changes are surely still to come.

Let me know when your version hits Tapped Out!

January 21, 2015 4:45 p.m.

johnsongrantr says... #15

it's just a simplified version of this Boros Burn (Post-Fate)

January 21, 2015 4:54 p.m.

xGhostx says... #16

Further playtesting shows that Butcher of the Horde mainboard is not really needed. The deck is able to function off burn control. Was efficiently able to control Post Fate R/G monsters running Stormbreath Dragon Ashcloud Phoenix and Flamewake Phoenix with little concern. 5 games played resulted in 4-1.


Removed 2x Butcher of the Horde from the Mainboard.

Added 2x Monastery Mentor Mainboard

Removed 1x Whip of Erebos from the Sideboard

Added 1x Butcher of the Horde to the Sideboard to total 3x


I think the 2x Monastery Mentor will achieve more running mainboard in game 1. The tokens are great, hit buff's from Sorin, Solemn Visitor, Convoke feed for Stoke the Flames Chump blockers, and in the event it happens games 2 or 3 could hit a Anger of the Gods with a Soulfire Grand Master on board for massive life gain :)

Further play testing has also shown that Humble Defector IS a viable draw engine for this build. Also in conjunction with Searing Blood is very obtainable to essentially Draw 2, Gain 5 Life and Burn for 3 for 2 Red mana :) Jankiness at its finest :)

January 21, 2015 8:30 p.m.

xGhostx says... #17

Soooooo close to final build I can taste it!

I am now at the point where I am trying to figure out if Sorin, Solemn Visitor fits here still? I mean his +1 is sick, his -2 is solid and has helped in a bind before and his ultimate is very solid. Playtesting has seen him sit in my hand when drawn more often then not....

For that matter, Does the build stay Mardu? I mean really the only reason is black is in this build is for Sorin, Solemn Visitor and Crackling Doom (Given, its arguably the best removal in Standard at the moment) Mainboard. The SB can shift gears though well and has a need for Black to stay in for it is now. So this helps me think I am going in the right direction :)

Thoughts??? I need feedback on if this is the foundation, or if a more competitive build can be achieved in straight Boros?

January 21, 2015 10:38 p.m.

You have to decide if splashing blue for TC/Dig is worth it. Do you find your hand empty before you can win?

I've seen a few Jeskai decks on TappedOut that splash black just for Crackling Doom. Either Mana Confluence or Shivan Reef or fetches for the blue.

January 22, 2015 6:52 a.m.

xGhostx says... #19

I am not sure I am ready to go the Jeskai route. I am working on a Prowess Token Jeskai Ascendancy abuse list in my head for when I get board of this though :)

After sleeping on it, I think for the time being at least, Black stays in.

January 22, 2015 6:55 a.m.

xGhostx says... #20

I did find that running on an empty hand was something this deck did alot. Adding Humble Defector as a 4of has addressed this :)

January 22, 2015 7:35 a.m.

Are you ok with no turn 1 play?

January 22, 2015 9:23 a.m.

xGhostx says... #22

Playtesting proves I am. The options were Wild Slash or Monastery Swiftspear

Swift spear was useful, but proved more often then not to be a dead a draw.

January 22, 2015 10:01 a.m.

xGhostx says... #23

Made some Changes to the Sideboard and Mainboard to add more draw engines.

Dropped Monastery Mentor from the build again as he is $30 for no solid reason in this build.

Running Read the Bones and Erebos, God of the Dead Mainboard now for more efficient draws.

January 22, 2015 11:01 a.m.

Nixin72 says... #24

With this many burn spells, you should have Satyr Firedancer and give them all a 2/1 value. Plus it doubles your life gain from the Soulfire Grand Master. I think I'd be really valuable in here.

January 22, 2015 2:21 p.m.

xGhostx says... #25

The lifelink trigger would not apply to the damage dealt to the creature by Satyr Firedancer as Soulfire Grand Master only applies to Instant and Sorcery spells, not creature effects.

I did run some playtesting with him in here and he was OK. Still on the fence with him not sure if he fits here or not.

January 22, 2015 2:42 p.m.

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