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I play a lot of GW EDH (Sisay) and I feel that Aura Shards is a must in any GW, competitive or not. Suggestion for replacement is Sundering Growth as it is lackluster in comparison. A single Populate trick in combat is cute, but a massive onesided enchantment/artifact boardwipe with a White Sun's Zenith resolution is game-changing.
People play Enchantress/Zur/Dagsson. No matter how much they tell you it is casual, they are lying.
May 27, 2015 7:33 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #3
@thehat: Thanks, man! I appreciate the suggestion, and will definitely implement it.
May 28, 2015 4:04 p.m.
+1 from me :-)
Is Oblivion Ring a usefull addition for you? I prefer this card in my Sisay built just because it's neat to have in your hand for extra board control
May 28, 2015 6:51 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #5
@PartyJ: Oblivion Ring was in the first iteration of this deck, and I've been half-considering it for a while. My major problem with it is it's so singular in effect, but that could also be a benefit. I'm not sure, but I will consider it. Thanks!
May 28, 2015 7:42 p.m.
Have you considered Phyrexian Rebirth? Nice board wipe with a fat populate target!
May 29, 2015 12:18 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #7
@gobucks: Phyrexian Rebirth was another card that was originally in here, too, but also was removed for some cards I felt were better suited. But thank you for the suggestion!
May 29, 2015 12:29 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #8
Here's a strange comment. Ready?
It seems like you have the wrong general for this deck, or the wrong deck for this general. If you plan to capitalize on her populate ability, Trostani plays well with larger creatures over smaller ones. The deck, as it is, looks much more like a classic Rhys the Redeemed deck, which likes small tokens. You do you, of course, but I'm curious how this plays.
Some things that create larger tokens that I didn't see around: Advent of the Wurm could definitely pull its weight (more so than Armada Wurm, since you can play it and populate at instant speed). So could Miming Slime, which usually is pretty bad. Moving further down the levels of quality, we encounter Ooze Garden, which makes anything populate-able (without its abilities, of course). I've also always been a fan of Wurmcalling, but it's a matter of taste.
Phyrexian Processor is unfair in any EDH deck, and doubly so here. Triply if your meta plays little instant-speed artifact removal, since you gain back the life you paid when the first token ETBs. This applies whether you're going with the large-token or small-token approach.
Voice of Resurgence seems awesome: even if you only get one token, you can populate it into many tokens.
Rings of Brighthearth, Thousand-Year Elixir, and Illusionist's Bracers would allow you to double Trostani's propagate uses per turn as well. I see you took out Elixir, and I would put it back (personally). I'm being unhelpful, though, because I'm not sure what to remove...
I like the deck! :)
If you want, I'll spend some time tomorrow looking at what could be removed imho - the harder part of EDH deck modification!
May 30, 2015 2:51 a.m.
Ajani Goldmane would be fantastic for his ultimate. Serra Avatar token that you can populate. The rest of his abilities are substantial as well.
May 30, 2015 8:33 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #11
@Daedalus19876: Thank you for your input. I appreciate it. Regarding the general choice, I know most people like to play the bigger token creatures in this kind of deck, and you'll notice I have a few of the bigger ones in here. I was actively trying to do two things: get value out of every casting, by which I mean that if I cast a card, it has to either give me a token or two, or do something else worthwhile. One of the reasons I'm holding back on Voice of Resurgence even though it should be in here is simply because I know it won't get me much value; it'll be blasted as soon as it hits the board. BUT, it may be worth sticking it in here. Any suggestions on what to remove for it (truthfully, that's the hardest part right now, removing ANYTHING)?
So with that in mind, and recognizing that I can switch Trostani, Selesnya's Voice out for Rhys the Redeemed (he's in the deck, too), I choose Trostani for a few reasons: I'll be hard to kill with all the token generating lifegain, and the mass tokens will give me a ton of no-cost populate-able targets. If I have a Giant Adephage token on the board, that's a pretty obvious choice. I think I'm just more trying to have a bit of fun without it being overwhelming. Truthfully, the deck should include things like Felidar Sovereign for an easy win-con. But, there aren't many other fatty token producing cards than what's already in here, and with all the anthems and token doublers and populators, I'm not too worried about never having a viable target for Trostani.
You're right about Rings of Brighthearth; it should definitely be in here. Again, what to replace for it? Same with Phyrexian Processor. I'm a little less enthused about Illusionist's Bracers, though maybe you're right about Thousand-Year Elixir. Those would be the ones I'd consider adding if I knew what to remove:
Voice of Resurgence, Rings of Brighthearth, Phyrexian Processor, Thousand-Year Elixir. Your other suggestions I'm going to stick on the maybeboard for now until I figure out if they have a place. Except maybe Ooze Garden, not a big fan.
@Raitiger and Steaditup: Thanks for the suggestions! Serra Avatar is a neat card, and I will add it to the maybeboard for now. I'll need to see how much it's value will be worth in here. And as for Ajani Goldmane, I'll do the same, add him to the maybeboard. I am NOT enamored of his +1, his -1 is okay here, and his -6 is basically Serra Avatar, but in a token. One of the things I'm a mite afraid of is that I already have 5 walkers in here, and really don't want to remove one. I think if I were to include one of those two cards, it would be Ajani Goldmane over Serra Avatar, but it's not an auto-include for me right now.
May 31, 2015 2:48 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #12
Ajani, Mentor of Heroes never really impressed me, personally. Compared to other planeswalkers, his first and second ability are...meh. And I doubt he survives to pop his ultimate very often.
Staff of Nin should be either removed, or replaced with something cheaper. The one damage and one card per turn aren't, imho, worth six mana and a card slot. If you want to remove it, depending on meta Farsight Mask can be amazing.
Though I've never used it, I hear that Mana Reflection isn't good in EDH: once you have enough mana to play it, you often can play other things instead, and it makes you a giant target without giving you anything immediately in return.
I assume you're playing in a meta with a lot of counterspells. If you aren't, Dragonlord Dromoka and Boseiju, Who Shelters All both don't fit amazingly with the rest of the deck.
You might also consider Gelatinous Genesis over Hydra Broodmaster, depending on how it's worked out for you. Yes, the latter is stapled to a big/fat body, but it can get killed before you can harvest tokens out of it.
Hope this helps a little!
May 31, 2015 3:27 p.m.
VincentVonVeltschmerz says... #13
Have you considered Beastmaster Ascension over Glorious Anthem?
May 31, 2015 4:08 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #14
@Daedalus: Ajani MoH is mostly in there for his second ability. Love me some extra card draw, and if I can pop the ult, even better. I agree about dropping the Staff, maybe for one of the cards you had previously mentioned. Personally, I love Mana Reflection here; enables those tokens very well. I always assume that someone somewhere has a counterspell, hence the Dragonlord Dromoka and Boseiju, Who Shelters All; if I'm going to drop and go for the kill, I want it to stick. No sense casting that awesome Craterhoof Behemoth and getting smacked with an annoying counter.
I'd never seen Gelatinous Genesis before, now that's a fun card. Not sure I want to replace the Broodmaster (I've got him laying around), but maybe actually ADD it in. Thanks!
@VincentVonVeltschmerz: Beastmaster Ascension was originally in here, and I have been thinking about keeping it in, but right now it's on the maybeboard until I figure out if it's worth it.
May 31, 2015 4:31 p.m.
I really like the gimmick here, but isn't your curve a bit too high considering the lack of accelerator/mana dorks or even disrupting solutions ?
Here's a good start on basic EDH staples in your colors: Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares, Pithing Needle, Return to Dust, Krosan Grip, Nature's Claim, Beast Within, Reclamation Sage, Council's Judgment, Qasali Pridemage, Aura Shards, Oblation and Fracturing Gust.
And while I'm at it, here's some more value: Eladamri's Call, Dauntless Escort, Breath of Life
I have the feeling your deck would be overwhelmed pretty easy by others with the same curve or even slower but more explosive ones (for example Narset, Enlightened Master), so you need to be more cunning.
June 2, 2015 4:54 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #16
@Marenkai: Well, thanks for the comments. I'm not too concerned with the curve here, to be honest. 37 land, a few land tutors, the Oracle and the Courser, and a few creature tutors. That being said, I like Eladamri's Call, Aura Shards is already in the deck, and I'll certainly consider adding in some of the removal you suggested. Fracturing Gust and Oblation probably won't make it, and I'm iffy on removing too much of what I have to disrupt the functionality of the deck, but I might be able to fit a few in. Of course, as always, what to cut?
June 2, 2015 5:22 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #17
Fracturing Gust is amazing in most metas, but don't bother with Oblation. The most recent rules changes nerfed it.
June 2, 2015 6:31 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #18
Considering the amount of enchantments I'm running, I don't think it would be in my benefit.
June 2, 2015 6:37 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #19
Would Smokestack work in here? I think if you can make enough tokens, it would work very well and destroy your opponents as well.
June 2, 2015 8:20 p.m.
I would cut some of your creatures and some of your enchantments: Hornet, Heliod, Dromoka and Glorious anthem for a start.
June 3, 2015 6:22 a.m.
No Voice of Resurgence? I would think the WonderStag would be great in a deck like this.
+1
June 3, 2015 6:45 p.m.
NoviceMagician says... #22
I already upvoted so a suggestion it is. :)
Congregate is a good life gainer in token decks. Oh, and Gideon, Champion of Justice might be cool.
If I could +1 again, I totally would. ;)
June 5, 2015 4:55 p.m.
fridaynighttokens129 says... #23
Gideon, champion go justice doesn't taget oneself so it would do more half them good to a token deck
AngryBearTony says... #1
@Bnon: It was included in the drawing up of this deck and dropped very quickly. I just don't know if I would feel comfortable winning like that.
@BOUFFO98: One more certainly doesn't hurt.
May 27, 2015 6:05 p.m.