Yeah, realized that while playtesting around a bit :-( I already ordered 4 Temple of Triumph to (hopefully) fix that issue. Additionally I think about cutting a 3-drop in favor of another Hero of Iroas - what do you think?
July 31, 2014 4:46 a.m.
Hum, I have a similar deck that isn't using Keycards such as the Fabled Hero or Hero of Iroas though because - as you know - they are in another deck xDSome of the cards that you don't play here yet, but could are the Ordeal of Purphoros (maybe replace it with Ordeal of Heliod) and the Hopeful Eidolon . In my opinion every white deck needs a Hopeful Eidolon. Especially in combination with the Hero of Iroas this is very easy to play for its bestow cost. Also - it is not a heroic creature but since this deck is Red/White the Akroan Hoplite might be worth looking into.
July 31, 2014 11:25 a.m.
PrimitiveGuy says... #4
Well, I am not a big fan of axax and cymede because I would rather target my other heroic creatures and give them the permanent +1/1 counter. I like the idea of another Hero of Iroas and you may want to think about adding Battle Mastery to your deck. With hero of iroas out it only cost two and on t3 you can target hero of iroas making it a 3/3 double strike that is better than dropping a Fabled Hero t3 and you could have a mana left over for a Gods Willing if you need it. Just a thought.
July 31, 2014 12:07 p.m.
Cool deck. i would definitely prefer to have 4x Favored Hoplite and 4x Satyr Hoplite with how this deck is. The preference I have in Boros Heroics is that you either go for a 'tall' or 'wide' approach. Concentrating on tokens is a wide approach where going for more powered up one to three creatures is a 'tall' approach.I avoid going for both approaches which you seem have taken up.
The problem of having Akroan Crusader , Vanguard of Brimaz , Satyr Hoplite , and Favored Hoplite in a single deck is that, it's quite weak if you happen to get a mix of those at the wrong turns where you would want the other. That's my experience anyway. I haven't playtested your deck though.
I would also remove Archetype of Aggression because you don't really need the trample at turn 3 or even up to 5. The extra Gods Willing , Titan's Strength , or Hammerhand is more useful in my opinion.
August 2, 2014 10:03 a.m.
Thanks PrimitiveGuy, levy120 and NewTurtle for taking a look into this and sharing your knowledge!
I made serveral changes with the cards I had available, especially regarding the tokens vs. counters thing. Tokens would've maybe made for a bigger Eidolon of Countless Battles in some cases, but the additional 1-drops and 2-drops lower the chance of getting helpful enchantments and I like the idea of a more targeted gameplan too :-)
I added two Battle Mastery and one Phalanx Leader while raising Satyr Hoplite and Hammerhand counts to four of each.
Additionally I sideboarded Archetype of Aggression for two Iroas, God of Victory I happend to trade yesterday at FNM. His static abilities seem far more useful to me.
4 Temple of Triumph have been added for a more even mana distribution.
Right now I wait for another Hero of Iroas to replace Anax and Cymede and then maybe this deck makes it's first appearance on the next FNM to be tested under more competitive conditions. Though I don't expect anything while RTR is still in the mix while I don't use it here, but we'll see.
Still open for ideas though! :-)
August 2, 2014 2:44 p.m.
Great deck. Your damage potential with the right setup can deal an enormous amount of damage. You might be better of running Ajani, Caller of the Pride over Battle Mastery for double strike AND flying as well as for its other abilities. I myself might need to do the opposite since my deck, The Heroic Auras, is aura eccentric and Battle Mastery can boost both my Eidolon of Countless Battles and Ethereal Armor .
August 5, 2014 4:16 a.m.
Thanks for that suggestion!
Didn't have my sight on M14 at all, but he'd for sure make this deck more versatile. I'll check out the prices and maybe get a copy or two!
August 5, 2014 4:57 a.m.
recoverydelta says... #9
Pretty small suggestion, probably won't make a huge difference, but you could swap Reprisal in your sideboard for Pillar of Light . It cost one more mana, but could help deal with gods, or any pesky indestructibility tricks like Ajani's Presence that could stop Reprisal.
August 5, 2014 5:28 a.m.
True that, added it to my maybe's. I guess I'll do some swapping later or tomorrow, taking all suggestions into account. Thanks a lot Emberflux and recoverydelta as well!
August 5, 2014 6:09 a.m.
After playtesting a ton, I feel like double-white 2-drop Phalanx Leader has to go for obvious reasons :-(
Additionally Mogis's Warhound ends up being a creature way to often, where I'd like to have another heroic guy to target. One of those might leave as well - maybe even two.
Prospective replacements could be:
1 Ghostblade Eidolon + 2 Akroan Skyguard . Not the best cards for sure, but fitting into my curve and comply with their respective role.
Anybody any thoughts on this? Suggestions?
August 5, 2014 9:04 a.m.
Went for a less invasive approach and just added a Soldier of the Pantheon for the Phalanx Leader .
Feels solid now, will playtest more later.
August 5, 2014 10:34 a.m.
Sideboard: I think about bringing Pillar of Light instead of Reprisal (as suggested earlier by recoverydelta) and Crowd's Favor for Desperate Stand .
Anybody thinks this is questionable and - if so - why? Thanks!
August 7, 2014 3:19 a.m.
Tigerhawk55 says... #15
This looks like a lot of fun, I may have to try it out. I'm a big fan of fast playing decks.
August 8, 2014 2:15 p.m.
I just happend to get my hands on 4 Ordeal of Purphoros . Immediately made some changes, taking them in for 4 Mogis's Warhound , while replacing my 2 Ordeal of Heliod as well, adding 1 Soldier of the Pantheon and 1 Fabled Hero . More playtesting to come, but it feels pretty badass right now ...
August 16, 2014 11:37 a.m.
TalusOfTheSea says... #17
I love the deck, but I can see a problem with removal, might I suggest Stoke the Flames or Fall of the Hammer . Stoke the Flames has great potential as it has convoke, and Fall of the Hammer abuses the heroic trigger, and makes great use of the 1/1 counters.
August 16, 2014 2:13 p.m.
reptarjesus says... #18
Why just one Favored Hoplite ? I'd use 4 of him, no Satyr's and then another Fabled Hero or Battle Mastery
August 17, 2014 4:32 a.m.
Thanks for your suggestions! Fall of the Hammer will definitely get a chance in this!
Other than that I'm a bit cautious about maybe getting off-topic by adding burn-spells or breaking my mana-base by adding more white - it plays very well balanced atm. Though I might add one or two Favored Hoplite instead of a Soldier of the Pantheon maybe.
August 17, 2014 1:44 p.m.
Yes, I had it in my inital sideboard.
I took it out and replaced it with Crowd's Favor as a way to deal with some Ambush Viper and likewise stuff. Desperate Stand as a sorcery didn't help with that and didn't bring any type of real evasion in my turn, so I just didn't find any use case for it, where it clearly outperformed other spells.
August 18, 2014 12:56 a.m.
Added Fall of the Hammer to my sideboard, as suggested. Pillar of Light removed, because it felt redundant with Revoke Existence and Fall of the Hammer . Same for Crowd's Favor . Soldier of the Pantheon now in the sideboard. Instead went for Akroan Skyguard , as it has built-in evasion and scales with auras and combat-tricks due to being heroic
August 18, 2014 7:23 a.m.
Streamlined this some more - done for now.
Removed all Eidolon of Countless Battles , all Blinding Flare and 1 Plains
Made room for four of each: Gods Willing , Titan's Strength , Battle Mastery and Battlefield Forge
Some more playtesting now, to see if this can survive a FNM standard.
August 18, 2014 3:57 p.m.
Babuchas3000 says... #24
Well, just as a thought, you can win in turn 4 even without making any damage before that, you nedd Titan's Strength , Hammerhand , Gods Willing , Ethereal Armor and all that on Fabled Hero , he will be a 12/10 (if am i right), with haste (useless at this point) first strike (also useless since it've double strike) cannot be blocked by one creature of your selection, and the best of all, he will have protection from the color of your choice. The real problem with this combo are the quantity of the cards rather the effect, you can also add Ephemeral Shields convoked, Ajani's Presence , Rouse the Mob (and the trample ability fits perfect), Crowd's Favor , Mortal's Ardor ... Well, i guess you get the point. Hope this serve you!. +1
August 19, 2014 6:57 p.m.
Thanks everybody who helped with this so far!
This is going to hit it's first FNM today. Keep your fingers crossed and I'll let you know the outcomes of my matches and what I (hopefully) learned from them.
PrimitiveGuy says... #1
I like your overall idea but the one thing that I see possibly tripping you up is your mana. You have a few cards that require you to have two plains or two mountains in order to cast it but you only have three cards that will give you both colors. You could run into a problem where you have two mountains and one plain and can't cast your fabled hero or something like that. I would think about putting in the temples and other pain lands to help.
July 31, 2014 3:57 a.m.