So looking at the deck and reading some of the comments from your forum post, you've basically go the right idea regarding win conditions. But I would offer a few pointers:

You've kind of split your wincon enablers here. you have three different infinite mana generators, one which uses lands and doesn't take advantgae of any of your mana rocks, one which need mana rock and doesn't take any advantage of your land ramp and one which kind of helps Dramatic Reversal outside of a combo of its own. Additionally, Pili-Pala + Grand Architect suffers from summoning sickness (the untap ability is also affected by summoning sickness, fun fact) meaning that if you're deploying it then you have to wait a turn before comboing of with it. Ultimately, you don't really have much in the way of overlap on your combos meaning that while you have 6 cards devoted to infinite mana, none of them are interchangable. This isn't the end of the world, but it definitely is something to keep in mind.

Ravnica bounce lands are generally bad. They're fine if you actualyl want the land return effect, but then they count more as a combo piece than a land drop. You only need 3 mana per loop with Peregrine Drake to make the combo work, so speed here is more important than long term extra mana.

Removal like Nature's Claim is generally better than Krosan Grip at higher levels of play. Split second is nice, but one mana removal is generally more useful.

@enpc - You'll have to forgive me...I know about the Architect Pala combo, and the Navigator Drake combo...but what is the third combo you're referring to? I did not know that the untap ability on Pili-Pala was affected by summoning sickness, thank you for pointing that out. Krosan Grip seemed expensive to me, but another user recommended i keep it. I think i agree with you here though. I have a Nature's Claim I can slot in. Thannk you for your comment. Please feel free to make all the recommendations you like. :p If you were going to replace the Architect Pala combo, what would you replace it with?

Scytec, yes unfortunately is just as affected by summoning sickness as . If you'd like to add two more infinite mana combos, here are two that each share a single card.

• Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy goes infinite with Basalt Monolith because you end up tapping it for but you only pay to untap it. You'd need a way to turn that into something else to be used. Chromatic Orrery is one card that does this, as is Gemstone Array, Stonework Packbeast and Prismite.

Additionally, Basalt Monolith goes infinite with Rings of Brighthearth. You tap BM, and while it is on the stack you add two additional mana of any color from any source. You use two of your total 5 mana to BM's untap ability. Now what happens is the 1st untap ability resolves so BM untaps. While the stack is awaiting the second untap ability to resolve, you tap BM for 3 additional . Now that it is tapped again, the untap ability may resolve. Now you can repeat this process again, sinking into ROB to copy BM's untap ability over and over again each time you activate it. But again, you need a way to filter your mana.

Scytec: I glossed over the fact that you weren't running Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal. I saw the deck the other day and was going off my memory of it (since I remember the Pili-Pala combo) however jumbled my memory up of it and then glossed over it today - you'll have to excuse me for that.

In that case, it puts even more stress on the deck as you don't have any redundancy on the comob pieces and are now splitting ramp between mana rocks/dorks (which are generally more efficient ramp pieces) and lands which you need to combo.

If you're going to go down the lands route, unfortunately the best card for it is Palinchron, which isn't exactly budget. Great Whale is much cheaper, but still quite costly. Personally I used to use Peregrine Drake, Palinchron, Deadeye Navigator, Eternal Witness and Ghostly Flicker in my Damia, Sage of Stone deck, however would use Tooth and Nail to play it.

The benefit of Tasigur here is that you can also use cards like Neoform and Eldritch Evolution to turn tasigur into the mana untappers. And Evoltion is great since it can really fetch any of the creature parts.

Either way, I would persoanlly make the call to lean more towards land based combos or rock/dork based combos, but not to split your resources down the middle. You can techincally get some overlap if you went Peregrine Drake + Deadeye Navigator and Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal by adding in Eternal Witness since she can work with navigator and reversal to form a loop. But for me it's about getting that overlap without spending too many card slots.

@TypicalTimmy - I would actually like to keep my mana combos netting me at least one color of mana because i don't want to have to find my mama combos and find a way to filter as well. I run so few solid tutors that i think adding a piece would be worse than waiting a turn honestly. I know there are a few combos that net infinite green mana with Arixmethes, the Slumbering Isle like Freed from the Real. Could those potentially be an option? Or is that too slow because i have to cast 5 spells to make him a creature?

@enpc - I actually own a Palinchron. Only reason I did not include it was because of the high CMC. You think it is worth putting it back in over the Architect combo? I also have an E-Wit i could slot in quite easily. If i do choose to go the Palinchron route, Phantasmal Image steps into the win con slot with Palinchron provided i use land based ramp correct? So i should decrease my rocks except maybe Sol Ring and Mana Vault, add back in land based ramp, drop architect combo and pick up Palinchron? What is your opinion on Arixmethes with this like i mentioned to Timmy?

You don't have to make Arixmethes a creature to tap it for mana. From Gatherer: "Arixmethes can tap for mana the turn it enters the battlefield as long as it has slumber counters on it. If you can figure out how to untap it, that is." You can still use it as a land which taps for .

I like the Palinchron line personally, and it gets much stronger with Neoform and Eldritch Evolution with Tasigur who in theory costs 1 mana. And I support overalpping combos. But I would recommend you have a play with it and see how you prefer to play. As a side note, I will leave a link to my old Damia deck (which I did an update for post retiring it on paper and it is definitely not budget) however it might give you a bit of a framework for land based combo: Damia Morgendorffer.

@enpc - I will certainly take a look at your list tomorrow morning. It is well past my bed time, i just got excited people were commenting on my current project and stayed awake. Haha. I know Arixmethes can tap for mana, but he isn't technically a creature until all slumber counters are removed, meaning he is not a legal target for Freed from the Real. I can not initiate the infinite mana combo until he is a creature. He will count as a two mana land for the Palinchron combo though...so perhaps he is worth including anyway? 4 mana seems like a lot though, and Freed from the real doesn't combo with any other pieces in my deck...i will have to look into getting Neoform and Evolution, both of those dropped while i was on hiatus so unfortunately i don't have either of them. Another deck i own in paper that could have relevant pieces is Nicol Bolas is a THIEF!. Are there any pieces from it or the The Mimeoplasm pre-con that would be relevant to include here? Forgive me, i don't have the pre-con added here to link you to. I'm sorry.

@enpc, TypicalTimmy, Lanzo493 - I have made some changes to the deck today. I swapped Krosan Grip for Nature's Claim, then I swapped the infinite mana combo of Grand Architect+Pili-Pala for Palinchron+Phantasmal Image/Deadeye Navigator. Since I picked up Palinchron I changed my ramp from artifact based to land based, swapping Fellwar Stone, all 3 Signets, and Darksteel Ingot for Fertile Ground, Utopia Sprawl, Search for Tomorrow, Rampant Growth, and Cultivate.

I couldn't find the copy of Freed from the Real I thought I owned, so the Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle combo I was considering didn't make it into the deck, though I would still like to hear y'alls thoughts on the matter. If you dont mind, in my previous comment I mentioned two decks I had laying around both Nicol Bolas is a THIEF! and the Mimeoplasm pre-con located here. If you dont mind flicking to those if you have a second and letting me know if any of those cards would better fit this deck.

Sorry to keep bugging you, but each of you seems to be competent in the format of cEDH and I want to get the best start that I can. I appreciate all of your time, and thank you again for all of your help!!

I would recommend getting Breeding Pool and Zagoth Triome. Then get a copy of Nature's Lore, since it can fetch those two and Overgrown Tomb. Also, Dimir Infiltrator is a lot less good now - would recommend replacing it with something like Ponder or if you wanted to up the ramp count, then Kiora's Follower is really good.

As for cards to use from other decks, potentially Monastery Siege could be decent here since it's more cards in the yard for Tasigur.

Arbor Elf and Voyaging Satyr would go good with land ramping. Throw in a Wild Growth too for good measure. I second the Neoform idea.

@enpc - I will keep an eye out for those cards, thank you. I don't know if Monastery Siege is going to fit in just based on the high cmc, but I will definitely add it to the list of cards to test. Thank you.

@Lanzo493 - I think I have an Arbor Elf laying around, if I make the changes enpc recommended, I will definitely add it in, but I am concerned that with my limited number of forests currently I wont always be able to take advantage. I will keep an eye out for another one of the Satyrs though, I only have one and it is in my Mayael deck right now I think. If I find a Wild Growth that I will slot in. Thank you.

The old Freed from the Reel is still very potent in Tasigur. Also, we have aay better dorks and enablers now. Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy with any dork that creates any color is unbound mana. Fatestitcher/Vizier of Tumbling Sands with Simic Growth Chamber does the trick too. Krosan Restorer with threshold gets there too. Wirewood Channeler and Argothian Elder are pretty cool too. Oh and Bloom Tender is at an all time low right now - you probably get the idea. Also, if you haven't you should take a look at pastigur, Cameron from the lab maniacs did an awesome job on that list even if its dated itll probably still hold it's own or at the very least be the fun police.

@RNR_Gaming - You think Freed from the Real + Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle is worth including? Or Freed with some combination of the creatures you listed above in place of Arixmethes? Kinnan looks like an all star, I will definitely keep an eye out for that card. I'll admit when I first read through your comment, i thought each of those creatures was heavily overcosted, but if i think of them as combo pieces for Freed, it makes much more sense. Haha. They don't serve any alternative purposes is the only issue. I quite like Krosan Restorer, i may order one of those at the same time as Freed if i decide to add that combo. I also really like the recursion stapled onto Fatestitcher, because that could be the key to me winning. I think those are the two I would consider as an alternative to Arixmethes. I am having a hard time balancing win-cons to answers honestly. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it!

Eh he's far too slow for cedh but nothing ventured nothing gained play with it a few times and see how it performs in your group.

Their purpose is to dump massive amounts of mana into tasigur to draw more lol. With something like Seedborn Muse and Quest for Renewal you're looking at 4-5 cards a turn. Tasigur is all about grinding out value and digging for combo pieces - I read you were on a budget so I wasn't sure what the cut off was for price point. My top recommendations if you go this route are

1) Bloom Tender 2) Sanctum Weaver 3) Arbor Elf 4) Birds of Paradise 5) kinan

If you go a more elf based route with Staff of Domination and Umbral Mantle

1) Priest of Titania 2) Wirewood Symbiote ...basically any mana positive dork under 5 mana.

@RNR_Gaming - Thank you for the budget considerations. I have a few of these pieces layinga round in other decks, such at my Atraxa list, but not many. Muse would be excellent but unfortunately I dont own one. Quest looks solid too, but i dont know if i currently have enough dorks to make it useful. Honestly what i really want to get my hands on is a Carpet of Flowers haha. That is the card im chasing most right now. But it is well out of my budget. Maybe the secret lair one will be cheaper? I think my issue is I'm doing the things i want to be doing, i just dont have the pieces to be doing it efficiently. I'll drop the Arixmethes thought i suppose. Honestly i wanted to smack someone with a landmass but i dont think this is the place to do it. Haha. Some of the more budget pieces you recommended with Freed i think will be my cheapest avenue to optimize my list further...unless you see another avenue? I am willing to try anything honestly. Thabk you again for your suggestions. They are truly appreciated.

Most cedh play groups are okay with proxies - they usually want to play the best game possible. If your group is okay with it I'd say just print out the golden control list and have fun. Theres definitely a steep learning curve if you're just getting into it. The only other avenue that might be kind or cool is a pod/Evolution list but its probably a bit too clunky without some of the high end tutors and fast mana. I'd just focus on having a heavy removal suit and a very redundant win condition. The database is by far and away the best resource when building cedh lists. For the most part the ones that get approved have a considerable amount of time put into them and those brewers/piolets would provide you with the best insight.

@RNR_Gaming - The issue is that I don't have a playgroup, and for personal reasons, I only like to proxy card for testing purposes or if I already own a copy. So I would like to own this deck in paper. Could you tell me what database you're referring to so that I can take a look at it, sorry, I am very new to the format, most of my knowledge has come from speaking to users here, and from the Playing with Power youtube channel. haha. I chose to build Tasigur because I thought it would be nice to have a win-con on a body you always have access to, and I think my collection is the strongest in these colors. The list I built here was pieced together from cards in my collection. I am only missing the Consultation from this list.

I think its looked down upon to link outside websites but if you type "cedh database" into Google it should be the 1st thing that comes up - it's a discord server that has links to all the finely tuned and tested decks. Of course there are some filters to be aware of. Recommended is what the curators believe are the best decks, outdated decks are still decent but have fallen off for one reason or another and then there are memes which are sort of competive but are more trolly than good.

Thank you

If you want to go down the route of untapping mana dorks, Freed from the Real / Pemmin's Aura are nice tech with the aforementioned BloomTender. There's also Incubation Druid who is good becuase she can net produce blue compared with most of the others who have to consume it to untap. I personally run these and Faeburrow Elder in my Thrasios/Tymna list however I am trialling Kenrith, the Returned King instead since he gives haste (the one weaknesss of the mana dork combos). you can use stuff like Crashing Drawbridge however it means slots dedicated to haste enablers (rahter than more generic utility or mre strict definitions of combo enablers).

You can however run all of the untappers with Isochron Scepter/Dramatic Reversal. If you were going to go down this route, I would recommend considering Thras/Tymna or Kenrith though, as one ofhte big strengths of tasigur is having a commander that effectively costs 1 mana that can be Neoformed/Eldritch Evolutioned into a combo piece. If you're just going for the fastest infinite mana combos though, the other commanders will probably give you more support.

Out of curiosity...how do y'all feel about Tasha's Hideous Laughter? Because it looks really solid to me based on what i know of cEDH...

@enpc - I am happy keeping this list as a Tasigur control list for the time being. I am looking to pick up both Neoform and Evolution because I agree that they look really solid. I think Freed from the Real is going to be the best option for me proceeding forward in order to optimize this list. In time I will acquire the necessary cards to do so. I really like how even by themselves, at worst, most of the cards that combo with Freed are ramp spells at their worst. The versatility is much needed. Thank you very much for your comment and time.

If you do want to add Freed, I would recommend finding space for Kiora's Follower. It's a good card which kind of bridges the land/dork/rock spaces and I have had a lot of success with it in the past. With Freed from the Real on it, it combos with Simic Growth Chamber but you can also look at adding High Tide which both combos with Palinchron but also with an Island and Freed+Follower.

That and Follower is just bonkers with either Sol Ring or Mana Vault. Just make sure you get the promo art one, it looks much cooler.

Haha, will do. I plan to add a Voyaging Satyr, Kiora's Follower, and then either Fatestitcher or Krosan Restorer to combo with Freed. High Tide is an interesting card choice...but im not sure if i run enough islands to really take advantage of it by itself without combo-ing out. I only have 7 islands total.

Picked up a Rhystic Study put it in over Manifold Insights. Also getting an Oko, Thief of Crowns, Carpet of Flowers, Neoform, and Eldritch Evolution soon. If anyone is still subscribed here, any recommendations on what to pull for them? Thanks!

Got to play my first game! only a 3 player pod, but I did win. Combo-ed off turn 5. I was very happy to get to play in paper for the first time. Thank you all for your help again, it played quite well.