Regardless, this deck is, as the name suggests, 50 different kinds of gross lol

[evolving winds] should be replaced, at least in my opinion. library shuffles aren't important in standard and more 'comes-into-play-tapped' land will just slow the deck down, and with no underworld connects you don't want to pace with other control decks.

Evolving Wilds are in here for Deathrite Shaman . They don't slow things down as much as the Temples but really I think I may add 2 more. I mean do I have 3x Courser of Kruphix as well.

interesting. never thought of using Evolving Wilds like that. and the Courser of Kruphix are a really strong card.

I might try Pack Rat instead of Lotleth Troll , i have seen so many games where Pack Rat takes over, while being less vulnerable to removal. I have not really played with Lotleth Troll enough to pick one though.

consider moving Pharika, God of Affliction to the mainboard as comboed with Lotleth Troll and Pack Rat turns bad cards into 1/1 deathtouch and other goodies. Lotleth Troll would be better if you were to do this, I think.

Pack Rat is a good card and wins games but Lotleth Troll is much better than Pack Rat in this deck. Regeneration for 1 is easier than duplication for 3 + a card.

The core of this deck has always been, ScOoze, Lotleth, Dessy, & Kalonian Hydra . A self contained +1/+1 counter theme. Skola was added as a makeshift Spellskite /Bioshift and it's awesome interaction with a tapped out growing Desecration Demon .

Okay, so I think u missed what I was saying again. DRS ramps with the used fetch but if I have a Courser of Kruphix on the board it means my top card of my library is revealed. If I don't like what is on top, I just crack the fetch and change it. Plus a fetch is +2 life.

Honestly I rather feed Scavenging Ooze than make overpriced deathtouch snakes most of the time.

No Reaper of the Wilds ? Looks like an alright deck. Post some results once you take it to some tournaments.

Reaper is slow, overpriced, and Regeneration & Trample trump Deathtouch & Hexproof all day long.

This deck is all over the place right now. I've been following it since before born of the gods, and it was pretty good then. But since then I feel like the changes you've made have just skewed what the deck is supposed to do.

Now this deck just looks like a bad golgari 'combo' midrange deck. Your synergies are too easily disrupted and you just have nothing left when it happens. (I played your much better list back in the day for a month and ran into the same problems at my LGS.)

But now it's just a shell of it's former self.

There's no graveyard help to make DRS or 4x Scavenging Ooze work anymore. Scourge is terrible.

I do agree that Kalonian Hydra is WAY better then people give credit for right now, and I run 2 in my Junk build, but this deck just doesn't have enough gas to win for a midrange deck.

Reaper is poor man's Aetherling, yet you call it bad. I actually thought Reaper was bad for awhile because of you, but then I started running it, and NOBODY likes it. You untap with reaper or play it with 6 mana up (not hard in a long game with Courser). and it takes a boardwipe for ANYONE to recover. Aggro can't get past the 4/5 body with deathtouch. Control has to Verdict to get rid of it. Other midrange will always have to trade with it.

It's SO good. Then you say scourge is worth it with his terrible slowness and easily manipulated ability. Lmao.

This deck used to be pretty good, but now I'm not a fan.

I agree with the above statement, I feel the deck has gone a little sideways..... I can say the same for my recent Golgari build, I feel the deck I ran 6 weeks ago was stronger.

I am considering taking it back to basics and rebuilding again with the M15 drop. At first I thought I would need to scrap the deck entirely or rotate to Modern, but the more I look at 15 the more I see that could work.

Personally, I would drop the Deathrite Shaman and the Scourge of Skola Vale , add the Reaper of the Wilds and up the Kalonian Hydra count. Maybe add a second Vraska as well. But thats just me.

I dunno, I really like the shifting ability of Scourge of Skola Vale when I'm stuck with a tapped out Desecration Demon or two. Which does happen.

I feel some of what was stated. I hate that I can't just find Kalonian Hydra like I used to be able to.

What changes would u guys recommend? Add the Grisly Salvage playset back in? I don't care how many people think Reaper should be in here. Just not gonna do it, maybe come rotation.

I plan to play DRS until he rotates out of standard. Once rotation hits it'll become Sylvan Caryatid .

tone down on Abrupt Decay , maybe 2-3. it is a really really strong card but because of the slow format standard is in, having permanents with cmc > 3 is fairly standard. maybe bring cheaper removal spells like Doomblade, Dark Betrayal , Ultimate Price . Pack Rat would also be a good card, as it is hard to deal with and snowballs so well with Mutavault .

Definitely add the Grisly Salvage playset back in.

It was the backbone of a lot of your cards.

Courser of Kruphix is amazing, but you already have DRS for your mana acceleration and healing.

-3 Courser -1 Hero's Downfall ( To the sideboard, replacing the 4th Courser)

+4 Grisly salvage

Courser's main job in green decks is to be a great wall, give you acceleration, and gain life as well.

DRS already does that job except for walling, which is what Lotleth Troll is in here for, anyways.

Courser is great, but that doesn't mean it belongs in every green deck.

Honestly I would do that swap now. If you want to get back to more of a Dredge/Scavenge feel with Grisly Salvage Treasured Find Jarad's Orders ect then yeah for sure I would keep the Deathrite Shaman in. Otherwise, Sylvan Caryatid is a better play here. Early Caryatid can literally be a game change. It stops Agrro Weenies, its a Mana dork, and a solid hex proof blocker all around.

Yea but the only reason I even play standard is to play the cards I like. Vraska the Unseen was my reason for creating this deck and since WotC banned DRS I kinda feel obligated to play a full playset until it rotates out. It was the card that really got me into magic. Besides with Evolving Wilds being legal in a few days he just became that much more powerful, especially coupled with Courser. Which I may cut back to 2, as before when I ran only 2 Grisly Salvage I could still find him or Kalonian Hydra fairly often. I really like courser as he typically ensures I get that 5 mana to cast Kalonian Hydra on time.

Another reason about Sylvan Caryatid is I don't own any yet.

I'll tweak the numbers of things, a lot of these suggestions really feel moving backwards. I remember how much hate there was last time just for removing Putrefy from the SB. Thing is that I make these changes after extensive testing and what seems to work best for me.

zygon91 it's weird that u would suggest I remove courser & downfall over Scourge of Skola Vale ? Especially after ragging on it and suggesting I add Reaper of the Wilds who is good for long games with Courser of Kruphix . Maybe u were high and missed it, that happens to me all the time.

...but Scourge of Skola Vale is not an early game 3 drop, it's that card that comes in and ends a board stall. Late game. 2x Desecration Demon s are doing nothing but eating tokens... Scourge of Skola Vale will put an end to this... I could SB it but I have a feeling I will be wishing I had it. Could replace it with 2x more Kalonian Hydra as it fixes the same situation.

uiuiho12 I had Pack Rat on the SB and it works quite well ...but is boring as shit to play.

Seriously, to play Pack Rat u need 4x Mutavault some swamps and like 40 other irrelevant cards. I play Lotleth Troll instead :)

I agree 200% with the Pack Rat statement. It is an all around boring concept. Its great for people that want a fully automatic deck that will make decisions for you, but personally, I despise builds like that.

I dunno, so far I've been testing things out and am really against some of these changes.

The thing is Abrupt Decay hits every card in a lot of the decks this deck goes against on a regular (outside of FNM) basis. Such as my other standard deck.... Lifted Research Group. Abrupt Decay kills every card in that deck... Abrupt Decay also kills all of Mono Black Aggro and trumps a few other decks. Obviously it's not as effective vs G/R Monsters & Rakdos Control but it's really well positioned verse a lot of stuff.

Does any one feel I should add in 1-2 Kalonian Hydra ?

I am sure you are aware of my thoughts on Kalonian Hydra

If your gonna run 1-2, you need to run 3-4 :)

Nah, I wasn't high. Just aware that some advice isn't taken. You don't want Reaper, you like Scourge. I accepted it, and suggested a different approach to what you wanted.

Because if every deck on tapped out was me just saying. 'Lol just run the perfect version of the build' then magic and tapped out would be very boring.

Building decks isn't always about the best possible build. It's about building what you like, and making it work. So when you said you liked Scourge, and not Reaper, and were very firm about that, I respected your opinion and offered advice straying away from it.

The problem is, you're still in a really weird in-between. Half your deck wants to be graveyard, half of it wants to be pure midrange, and those two halves aren't getting along.

Try playtesting a few less Scooze, so that when they do hit, they hit with a little more material to work with. Replacing them with a 4 and 5 drop could also flatten your curve, and still having threats.

-2 Scavenging Ooze-1-2 Grisly Salvage+1 Kalonian Hydra+1 Polukranos+1-2 Courser

This makes it more midrangey (Which makes me feel more comfortable with you running more coursers), with more of a subtheme of graveyard economy instead of pure-need.

This will lower your 2 drops, and buff your mana progression a little better, I have a good feeling about this.

I'm open to continuing to try 1 Scourge because his synergy with Polukranos and K Hydra is there a little bit, and could be good.

I worked at both my jobs yesterday so I was a little wired and my thinking may not have been the best.

Anyway, I tested this build a ton and came to basically the same conclusion. 4x Grisly Salvage is way too much. I think 2 is the right number, When I had 2 courser and 2 salvage things seemed to function like they should.

Also I should mention because u made the argument about DRS vs Courser earlier. During one game I was stuck on 4 lands with Kalonian Hydra in hand I decided to Grisly Salvage on my turn and given the choice between DRS & Courser I chose DRS as I could guarantee ramp out the hydra next turn.

Scourge has been good in this deck almost every time he hits the field. ...but yea 1 is all I ever need.

okay, things are starting to feel a little more like the original deck.

I'm thinking about fitting in 2 Sylvan Caryatid once I buy some.

Any form of green requires Sylvan Caryatid He is just toooo good.

hey post rotation I wanna make a Golgari build but I am not so sure how to do it lol I ma used to playing Rakdos early game aggro, if you could help me come up with a deck thats about 100 bucks or less thatd mean a lot. This looks like a solid deck by the way.

I love your decks, and i have one question about this one.Why did you gave up? I know Deathrite Shaman was banned in modern, but what happened? I like this deck so much! xD

How about changing some cards for something like Sylvan Caryatid or Courser of Kruphix?