its white weenies bro, relax. its pretty OP, easy to make, and fairly inexpensive. It is also far from unbeatable and really is only good because of one combo between 2 incredibly common one drops. and for the record doctor who has no relevance here.

Hasty Borosments

Heliod's Army of Champions

All basically White Weenie. My biggest suggestion would be Heliod, God of the Sun is you can get 2 of them. He spits out enchantments creatures to power Ethereal Armor .

jmallette1 I've been running this deck since rotation and decided heliod was too slow for what he does and more often than not a dud draw.

jmallette1 And doctor who has no relevance on the site? Tell that to about half of the votes on this deck. I know how the deck works and don't quite understand why you are telling me to relax. Also..

"It's only really good because of one combo between..." no.

...Who put lighter fluid in your chowder? =PIf you look and read just a little further, he's got the two Heliods, and they've been sideboarded because they underwhelmed the consistency of the deck... and really, consistency is all that's being looked at to improve here.

The three-drop problem I know's been bugging me for a couple of months--my deck started out half 3-drops. =_=...and to be said, there is no perfect option here. If this were a get-to-right-combination-and-Click! thing, we'd've hit it by random chance a while back. Working to improve it on the run isn't so cut-and-fit. ...The issue with the 3-drop suggestion above is, I think it's fair to say it's a step back, here--we've been there before. It's the higher end of this deck's mana-curve, and next-to-nothing works well top-heavy.

Doing too much irrelevant math, too. =_=

above was to jmallette1 ...and the fandom-flavor does make the page more cheery...for most, I guess. =P

I guess one must like doctor who to appreciate it. unfortunately i can't count myself as a fan.

How did I know this was a Doctor Who reference, a very sneaky one. Well played. :)

So I spent the time to bild this deck and played at my fnm and ther is one big problume that every time I came acrose it I loust blue cus evar I whude git one of the cards out and they whude counter it or they whude play a master of waves and the deack had know whay of beating it so it just got killed every time I played blue can you tell me how this deck is supos to beat blue

Tuckman315

1) You will always get countered when playing blue, it's just a fact of life.

2) We are faster than MUD and can usually outrace control.

3) Banisher Priest Deals with Master of Waves quite well.

I don't know how you ran the deck, but i've personalky never had much trouble with blue. This deck has problem points but i don't believe MUD is one of them. I've been playing this deck since rotation and know it's match ups. Keep learning to play the deck and be aggressive. I can consistantly win Turn 4-7 with this deck.

If your having trouble with the master.... Try Last Breath

Last Breath is good! not just against master :)

Spirit of the Labyrinth would be good against Sphinx's Revelation

jjdiddy65 Look at the whole deck before suggesting a card, it's already in the sideboard.

Sorry, didn't see that, I saw a few Born of the Gods cards in the Maybe board so I assumed that you didn't have any of them in the main or sideboard.

First off, I LOVE the reference (and get of course) to Doctor Who, Dalektable. Pretty cool moving images. That's from the Pandorica Opens, right? Great episode. (I am aware of the fact that the reference is from the Demon's Run ep, though.) I really like this white weenie build. I think that you might want to take it a bit slower on the fabled hero, double strike is cool, but he works well mainly in decks that have more instants, echantments, etc. such as Ordeal of Heliod, Show of Valor, and other cool things. Love the build!!!

Hey there Dalektable - am just looking over BotG cards....

Now please don't take this as me trying to get you to put Phalanx Leader back in your deck, it's more of a discussion that I'm interested to get you thinking about, or even thoughts you've had on it already.

I see people with any kind of black deck running or siding in at least Bile Blight and Drown in Sorrow which is gonna be a head ache to say the least for us.

Am wondering how to combat this MBD is still gonna be a thing, it's like 30% of all decks I face if not more, now they have these.

Whilst proc will help with one because of the "target clause" am not sure about the other.... I was thinking Phalanx Leader targeting him early to pump everything as fast as possible to above -2/-2 and -3/-3 range?

Alternatively just siding in rootborn defenses?

What's your take on possible upcoming problems for us?

Rootborn Defenses won't save your creatures from the negative toughness status. I've been looking into this matter as well, this set is bound to hurt white weenies in general.

Also, the only good responses I've seen to this are Phalanx Leader as you suggested and Fortify , I still have to look through most of the RTR set tough.

I've been thinking about Legion's Initiative as a response to those new weenie killers in BotG. However this will slow it down a lot.

Good call on Fortify ; JVMAV I'd forgot about that one - yeah stupid me I forgot -x/-x isn't countered by indestructible.

I think white weenie's may need to play more cautiously on aggro, those cards at blacks disposal could wipe or early boards in turns 2 / 3.

I've got Chosen by Heliod in my deck for similar reasons - permanent buff on the Phalanx Leader he's then out of harms way, pump everything else + a nice card draw. Fortify may need to be sided in. I'm thinking that those cards in BotG will be SB cards most likely, I still think spot removal will be favored mainboard.

If they see a lot of play - then it will slow us down a lot - holding Fortify on turn 3 rather than dropping another creature.

We may need to go down the option of higher toughness rather than higher power 1/2's rather than 2/1's - what do you think?

Hey Dalektable - deck update no more Blue Splash - all out Mono White - check it out please. Would love your input.

Empire of the Sun

Ok I did sum reaserch agents controle cus I bilt this deck cus it locked rily fun hear is whute I came up with cards you shude add tell me whute you thik. Spirit of the Labyrinth this card makes it so they can only draw one card each turn And Brimaz, King of Oreskos wich is amzing its Card Type: Legendary Creature

Creature Type: Cat Soldier

Power/Toughness: 3/4

Casting Cost: 2white one coulerlis

Card Text: Vigilance Whenever Brimaz, King of Oreskos attacks, put a 1/1 white Cat Soldier creature token with vigilance onto the battlefield attacking. Whenever Brimaz blocks a creature, put a 1/1 white Cat Soldier creature token with vigilance onto the battlefield blocking that creature.

The next card is hero of iroas wich is 1 white mana one couler Lise and Card Text: Aura spells you cast cost 1 less to cast. Heroic Whenever you cast a spell that targets Hero of Iroas, put a +1/+1 counter on Hero of Iroas.

And the last card wich you could add is is eidolon of countless battels wich is 1 coulerlis 2 white mana and Card Text: Bestow 2WW (If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature.) Eidolon of Countless Battles and enchanted creature each get +1/+1 for each creature you control and +1/+1 for each Aura you control.Thea's are the 4 cards w whude add tell me whute you think pleas

Tuckman315

Spirit of the Labyrinth I don't believe is necessary. For one is price is grossly higher than what the card is worth. And another thing i think if we get to a point where control decks are able to draw cards, we are in a bad spot. I just think it is just below needed fort his deck though i can see it warranting a spot.

Brimaz, King of Oreskos obviously needs a spot. But i am on a budget and right now his price is much higher than what he should actually be worth. I stated this in one of my updates.

Hero of Iroas isn't worth it. At best he would make a Gift of Orzhova worth two instead of three. There isn't enough application in this deck to warrant him a spot.

Eidolon of Countless Battles i like. But i don't see a spot where i could fit him in the deck. I think i like Fabled Hero better at this point, though i may change my mind on that though i still think a turn for 8/8 double striker is too appealing.

I've gotta say, I do think I like Spirit of the Labyrinth better than Imposing Sovereign in this, for some matchups. --And don't get me wrong, I love the Sovereign. ...The Spirit is pricey, but I can't say I'm surprised, what with its potential use as a fairly effective hate-bear in modern. I expect it to hit $3-4 by the time BotG has been out a month, at which point I'll probably get myself a playset.

...Other opinions: Brimaz, King of Oreskos , I think we're all just praying we pull at our respective prereleases. ...Can anybody think of a Standard White deck that he WOULDN'T make a nice addition to?? Hero of Iroas is a nice card, but him in here would be an entirely different deck. An effective one, perhaps, to build around, but not this one. ...That make sense? ...and I myself might end up taking out cards at random, from my build, in favor of Eidolon of Countless Battles . ...Like Fiendslayer down to two (GASP), or heck, ...even cut a land. He's so cool!

Fanboy moment terminated

See its not just me who thinks thouse cards whude be beater youer number one problome is mono blue and spirt of the labyrinth is a great side bord card agents it also hero of iroas is amzing in hear cus thouse cards with bestowe are also,aura spells so It makes bestow cheaper to cast and eidolon of countles battels duse not just git 1+ one for all thouse one and 2 mana white creaters you also git 1+ for all thouse besto creaters and you can give that ability to one of youer creaters for 4 mana and 3 mana if you have hero of iroas on the field wich means it cast the same to do that as it whude to play fabled hero and that's whay beater then fabold hero so why whude you not add thouse cards?