Pheardemons says... #2
Have you thought or considered Intangible Virtue? You have way too many tokens for it not to be worthwhile. I'd recommend taking out the three Gravecrawlers and one land (bringing your land count to 22 as I don't believe you need 23) for 4. My suggestion for the deck. =]
January 12, 2016 7:23 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #3
I think I can afford to rid myself of1 land and 1 Crawler. I just really the synergy of Kalitas and Gravecrawler and Bloodghast.
January 12, 2016 7:35 p.m.
You might consider something like Vile Rebirth or Endless Ranks of the Dead to up your zombie count, since you're currentyly running 3 Gravecrawler and 2 Waste Not as your zombie generators, which limits when you ca use said Gravecrawler.
January 12, 2016 10:06 p.m.
You might consider something like Vile Rebirth or Endless Ranks of the Dead to up your zombie count, since you're currentyly running 3 Gravecrawler and 2 Waste Not as your zombie generators, which limits when you can use said Gravecrawler.
January 12, 2016 10:07 p.m.
Pheardemons says... #6
Sorry Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is a new card I didn't know the details of him. You're right the synergy is definitely there. I would ust recommend sticking to your main game plan through and through. Right now it just seems you have zombies, tokens, and the individual creatures like Kalitas and Obzedat, Ghost Council particular win cons or theme of the deck. Usually decks are stronger when all cards go towards one goal. However, I do like what your deck does so as long as it works as well.
January 12, 2016 11:14 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #7
Play testing and comment responses incoming;
I was able to test one match, and I think it wasn't indicative of the deck.
I ran into mana problems games 1 & 3. I drew no lands for several turns game 1, and game 3 I drew only non-basics with a Blood Moon out. Both games I don't think really show how the deck performs. The game I won, game 2, really told me what I needed to do. I should remove my Obzedaddies, add some more removal and focus my hand attack. I did get the god combo out turn 2, which delayed my opponent enough turns to get my Sorin near his Ult. I expect to get that combo a little more in real life testing, but it was brutal.
Untap.in tends to have very different results than IRL testing. I draw worse in general, and end up playing differently. I did learn, however, that I need to familiarize myself with the deck a little more, as I still have yet to pilot it as effectively as I could.
For comments now;
Red_X So far I haven't run into trouble with Gravecrawler, so I don't think I want to add those cards, but I really like those suggestions- in another deck.
Pheardemons I agree, I think you are right. I wanted to try Obzedaddy because I had him, but 5 drops don't do well in this deck. I think I can use kore removal and solidify my hand attack base.
January 13, 2016 1:52 a.m.
Pheardemons says... #8
Usually with black hand disruption is the controlling, even aggressive, tactics that work efficiently. How did Waste Not playtest in those games you played? Almost everyone I have talked to about having any sort of discard deck Waste Not wasn't worth the card slot. They said it didn't alter the game in the way they thought it would. Granted I've never particularly played with it or an all out discard deck, but was just making sure it worked for you. One thing I learned about magic is that even if it looks good on paper it doesn't always deliver in matches.
Unless you are going for budget, why not Liliana of the Veil over the liliana you have? If you're main theme is ever discard she is almost a must have.
January 13, 2016 2:23 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #9
Pheardemons The exclusion of Lili is budget. I think I would play 5-drop Lili over the current one.
I never drew Waste Not during a game, so I don't know how good it is. It looks good on paper, but I see that it wouldn't really work. I've only played WN in Grixis Storm (where it is insane). I could cut that.
I can clean up the list when I get home.
January 13, 2016 3:25 p.m.
Pheardemons says... #10
Sounds good. Like I said just making sure it worked. I know you just made the deck so definitely keep playtesting just in case. It was just a suggestion from what others have told me.
January 13, 2016 7 p.m.
TurnOneThoughtseize says... #12
Thanks for the shoutout! Looks like you're off to a good start.
I would consider switching out the Appetite for Brains for one of the 2 mana Thoughtseize effects Castigate or Distress. Also, Duress is a very good choice. If you are already running Dakmor Salvage, Raven's Crime can make a soft lock as well.
Necrogen Mists is probably a better budget Liliana than Vess and Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai plays well with Smallpox/Death Cloud. Have fun!
January 14, 2016 7:25 a.m.
Troy242621 says... #13
You have and with self-land destruction, which may serve to exasperate your mana issue. Tomb probably helps a bit but I imagine your manabase will still be screwed sometimes.
Anyways since you have zombie synergy anyways, Geralf's Messenger? Seems like he'd fit perfectly. Burn them, come back +1/+1'd then burn them again. Also, being a resilient zombie, should help bring your gravewalkers back.
January 14, 2016 10:37 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #14
I think your deck is a bit ambitious for it's mana base.
Perhaps drop Castigate and add some Marsh Flats
January 19, 2016 5:34 p.m.
Hallowed_Titan says... #15
I may copy this as I've been looking for a "more fun" pox style deck. Thanks and +1!!!
January 21, 2016 8:17 a.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #16
Oh boy, time for an update and some responses. Sorree it took so long for some of y'all, been a bit busy.
car Indeed, this is budget.
TurnOneThoughtseize Yeah, no problem. I really like your podcast! Anyway, Gods' Eye is definitely in. The Mists I liked, but I cut it again. Thanks for the discard spell suggestions, I really love Castigate.
Troy242621 and APPLE01DOJ Turns out, mana has only once or twice been a problem. I run 6 lands that can replace or regrow themselves. The land base tends to work how it is. Also, turn 2 is fine when I'm not trying to get turn 3 . As for individual suggestions, Marsh Flats doesn't mesh well with Pox and such, and Castigate does a lot of work. Geralf's Messenger is a fine card, but it doesn't really work with the cards in the deck. It only works with Kalitas, and that seems like way too much work.
Thanks Hallowed_Titan! I really like how the deck is looking. It is pretty fun IMO.
Pheardemons says... #1
Like the list man. If someone can't deal with tokens they'd be in some serious trouble. Let me know how it playtests!
January 12, 2016 11:19 a.m.