Akiri and Tymna's Abusive Relationship | Primer

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Suns_Champion says... #1

Ahhhhh the Sunforger, one of my all time favorite cards :)

I'm guessing by your current package you've already seen Queen Marchesa: Politics, Aikido, and Control by precociousapprentice.

Also here is my own sunforger deck: Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH


Let's talk Sunforger first.

Based on the budget here, I-for the life of me-can't figure out where Enlightened Tutor is. It tutors sunforger and is tutorable by sunforger.

Since you have over 25 artifacts(including creatures and lands) and have an fairly optimized mana base, Inventors' Fair will be a another good include. Incidental lifegain and Sunforger Tutor in a pinch. Along those lines, if you're really going into Sunforger, Puresteel Paladin and Leonin Shikari (or the not as great Auriok Windwalker and Brass Squire ) will be useful for multiple activation every turn cycle, making it easier to lock down the board with multiple opponents. But then again, I do see you only run a few equipment otherwise so they might not suit you at all.

Anyway, sunforger targets!

  • Argivian Find is nice recursion, can get sunforger or be gotten by sunforger.
  • Tithe gets Mistviel plains. On that note, Expedition Map might want to be here too.
  • Dispatch might be a better Swords or Path in this deck. I usually get a lot of flack for this card but I've never had a problem with 25 artifacts.
  • Intimidation Bolt over Batwing Brume . Brume can't be used with sunforger, I-Bolt is a better fog effect because it stops all attacks, meaning no attack triggers. It's also removal.

Finally, with about 10 good targets, I think Isochron Scepter could be squeezed in here.


So those are my thoughts on Sunforger.deck. Some cut suggestions:

  • Serra Ascendant
  • Mindblade Render
  • Dark Impostor
  • Crucible of Worlds
  • Phyrexian Arena
  • Settle the Wreckage
  • Batwing Brume
  • Backlash

These are just cards I find weak or that I am not sure why they're here. I don't know your meta. These are not necessarily what to cut for my suggestions.

Hope this helps!

March 10, 2019 11:13 a.m.

hkhssweiss says... #2

Thank you for your very detailed thoughts and perspective Suns_Champion!

Yes I was a bit inspired by precociousapprentice's Queen Marchesa: Politics, Aikido, and Control, it was one of the main reasons why I decided to actually go for this type of deck build and colors in particular.

I thought about Enlightened Tutor and I know I shouuuuuuld add it in but my reasoning was because I was not trying to be too degenerate with this deck build because I am bringing it against newbies and casuals. However I did add in Vampiric Tutor and Demonic Tutor so that is moot point, in Enlightened Tutor it goes!

On your point with Inventors' Fair ...I have totally forgotten about that card, yeah it needs to go in once I obtain one again. For the equipment tutor cards and Leonin Shikari I am trying to abstain away from equipments aside from Sunforger however that is to be determined if I decide to add in Sword of Fire and Ice and Sword of Feast and Famine . It is highly unlikely I will as I have my Nahiri voltron deck which will make it redundant if I do play with equipments.

As for your Sunforger target cards, you sir are who I need to come to when looking for Sunforger cards. I am guaranteed adding in about all the cards you suggested in the package and the suggested cuts also do make sense. It bears a lot of consideration on what I am testing out.

I do have another question if you don't mind. Are there any creatures that you would add in to this type of approach in the deck? Maybe a Hushwing Gryff or other hatebears?

March 11, 2019 7:37 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #3

hkhssweiss You could certainly go the hatebears rout, though the actual cards you pick will have to be based on your meta. I'm not as familiar with the hatebears strategy. Although I think Angelic Arbiter + Sunforger is very good because it limits what Sunforger has to deal with to just one type of thing. They cats a spell? counter it. They attack? Fog them.

Note on the tutors: If you're feeling like you want to hold the deck back slightly, replace demonic tutor with enlightened.

Other cards you might want to protect Sunforger include: Hanna's Custody and Relic Ward .

Also Silence might be considered for the Sunforger package.

March 12, 2019 10:20 a.m.

hkhssweiss says... #4

A Suns_Champion...How did I forget about Silence ! I use that in my competitive decks LOL

Omg those janky spells, I love those spells, now I have to see what I can fit it in, Rebuff the Wicked might be better in the slot albeit, but I love those ideas you are suggesting, I am definitely going to pick those up! Thank you very much! :)))

March 12, 2019 10:27 p.m.

Mynds says... #5

Cool deck. Any updates from the new sets?

April 13, 2021 4:10 p.m.

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