lotusofblackness says... #2
This looks like a great deck. I would highly recommend Batterskull . But I love it! +1
July 7, 2014 6:06 p.m.
slovakattack says... #3
lotusofblackness: Batterskull is great indeed, but I'm not really sure what I would take out for it. Do you think I could pull a sort of devotion thing, here?
July 7, 2014 6:26 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #4
This looks pretty fun, although it does seem a little fragile. Your land situation is notable, I think Darksteel Citadel may hinder more in the long term than it will help. It is only going to be relevant here when you have Puresteel Paladin in play, and he will have a bullseye painted on him the moment he hits the field. Having to rely on white mana for instants and creatures is a part of playing knights. Brave the Elements is a good start for defense, although a puresteel build affords you the unique position of running Spellskite . Bolts will ruin you all day here, and you want something to soak them up - and if you splashed a bit of blue here (given that this seems like a midrange deck), you could use Supreme Verdict in your SB, which would be excellent for clearing out the board before you make your ironclad monster and holding off aggro and combo decks. Running 1 or 2 Leonin Shikari could also lead to insane power shenanigans as an alternate wincon with Lightning Greaves .
With only 17 creatures, I think you NEED to keep at least one Elspeth (probably 2), and/or some manlands like Mutavault (even Forbidding Watchtower or Celestial Colonnade if you build midrange) to slap equipment on tokens/animated lands when your knights aren't around.
Finally, I think 3 Paradise Mantle and 3 greaves is too many. You do need minimum 12 artifacts, and Mantle is good for its free drop, but again, only circumstance will allow you to make an ideal play with one in hand. It's also a little slow, and while the mana fixing is nice it's not doing much to boost your tempo with the turns you are losing. Do you really want to be left with that and a lone knight or two on the field? You don't really have token generators to make ideal use out of it. Why not consider other equipment that is highly relevant, but a 1cmc drop instead? Think of Bonesplitter and Basilisk Collar , which are easily affordable with puresteel around and still highly relevant when he isn't.
You should also up your Path and Vial count to 4, imo. And do consider Spellskite in your main! I like your choice of Indomitable Archangel too, the artifact shroud is nice, but I don't think it is extremely relevant to your strategy - for example, you are more likely to run into Stony Silence than another Disenchant . Or at least, there are better options (aka Linvala, who has already been mentioned). I guess she is a bit pricey nowadays, but either her OR even Resto angel could be great here to helping your cause.
If you up your Elspeth count to 2, or have some other token generator added at any point (Spirit Bonds ?), consider using Sundering Growth instead of Disenchant in the side.
July 8, 2014 4:28 a.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #5
Forgot to mention - Faith's Shield may actually be better here than Brave the Elements , since you will rarely have more than one creature in play and rarely will need to save multiple creatures at the same time. The shield allows you to also defend your artifacts and any other permanents, including planeswalkers and enchantments.
July 8, 2014 4:31 a.m.
slovakattack says... #6
MetaphysicalxProdigy: These are all excellent suggestions.
The reason Paradise Mantle is included in the deck is because with Puresteel Paladin , it replaces itself with a free draw. I haven't been able to run too many tests yet, but I'm starting to think that running Accorder's Shield or a 1-drop would be better, as it offers very little when Puresteel Paladin isn't around.
The main reason I've been wary of Spellskite in this deck is due to the fact that he becomes useless with shroud, but I recently got the idea to kick Indomitable Archangel , replace her with Stonehewer Giant and replace Lightning Greaves with Spellskite - the advantage to Spellskite being that I can cheese him out with AEther Vial as thought he had flash. My only issue with this idea though, is that Stonehewer Giant is a 5 drop, much makes me uncomfortable in a deck that has virtually no mana ramp. What do you think of the idea?
July 8, 2014 11:51 a.m.
slovakattack says... #7
(The reason Stonehewer Giant interests me is because of the artifact ability, obviously- although I do admit that there are probably better options.)
July 8, 2014 12:06 p.m.
Adding more Path to Exile could help against combo pod and twin etc. Otherwise I guess this is just an aggro deck. I don't really know what to suggest it looks like it functions extremely well.
A Spellskite or two would help you not lose to like storm, twin etc.
July 8, 2014 12:50 p.m.
slovakattack says... #9
ChiefBell: Thanks, man. I'm trying to keep this aggro instead of midrange, as pure white doesn't really have the early control that I'd like to properly function as a midrange deck in modern. I'm considering Spellskite , even thought it has a negative interaction with Indomitable Archangel .
Remember to +1 the deck if you like it! :3
July 8, 2014 4:02 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #10
Hey man, here is a big post with some more thoughts / suggestions. =D
I also run a knights equip list and a knight/soldier equip list (to some success) in modern. Just thought I would share some experiences.
July 8, 2014 4:14 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #11
I think Indomitable Archangel is, well, indomnitable in the right deck, but there are better choices for you here. I remember seeing her spoiled prior to the Scars release and I thought she was badass and still do, but you really have to build around her. If you can I would really try and run Linvala, Keeper of Silence here, or if she is out of your price range Restoration Angel to protect your creatures (too bad there is no ETB to abuse =[). I guess this leads me to ask: is this list a selection of stuff that is most optimal for your kind of puresteel strategy, or is it just a list of cards you own/can afford/are willing to run?
The biggest challenge for you here is, 1) your creature count, and 2) the nature of an equipment strategy. First, I just want to stress how vulnerable you are to the removal-heavy aspect of the format. Sweepers, bolts, paths, decays, and sacrifice all prey on a low creature count, especially creatures that are all 2/2 bears. Now Knight Exemplar is amazing and her ability allows knights to compete in modern, but there is little else keeping you toe to toe with UWR control, junk/discard, superfriends, and other aggro decks like RDW or zoo (These can work around Ethersworn Canonist , playing a creature on their turn and burning you/your stuff on your turn). Rest in Peace is an excellent inclusion, but you are weak to the popular Kiki Pod, Melira Pod and Twin lists. Tron you are going to have to overpower before he overpowers you.
It seems you are trying to run a strategy that is half midrange, half combo in nature (i.e., relying on Paradise Mantle with puresteel). It is a tempo that is vulnerable if your creature element is removed. You are kind of playing your own game here, and I think that the thought of including Stonehewer Giant as an end-game wincon (while certainly powerful) is just an extension of that. There is a reason why you never see the giant around, even in decks that COULD run him, like UWR geist, UWx control, etc.
This segways into the second point I wanted to make, the difficulties with running an equipment build. Without Leonin Shikari you are always prostrate to your opponents removal suite as you pay equip costs. You need to make the most out of your strategy while still having versatile defensive options - Brave the Elements is the right idea (and I think still could be better replaced with Faith's Shield ), however you need more flexibility and adaptability and that's why I really want to advocate using Spellskite . And as crazy good as Student of Warfare is (believe me, I have used him for years), you may want to try using a defensive 2-drop to round out your Vials and keep a board presence. Knight of the Holy Nimbus comes to mind here - and any opponent that uses Suppression Field will undoubtedly have it backfire.
Another card to consider for your build (and you may have already) is Phyrexian Metamorph . He is your 5th and 6th Exemplar, a copied Wurmcoil, a copied Vedalken Shackles , an extra Pithing Needle , or another sword. And again, I want to advocate that it may be worthwhile to splash a small bit of blue as well. Using Supreme Verdict , whether in your side or main, could be invaluable in clearing a battlefield before you set up (and obviously has synergy with Exemplar and Vial). You are already running a midgame strat so you might as well consider options that will boost your midgame presence.
My recommendations (and take them as you will man, you dont have to do any if you dont want to):
MAIN
- -2 Darksteel Citadel
- -3 Plains
- -1 Lightning Greaves
- -3 Paradise Mantle
- -3 Brave the Elements
- -2 Indomitable Archangel
- +2 Mutavault (or Forbidding Watchtower if you feel more defensive - this also brings you down to 21 lands which is all you need)
- +1 Path to Exile
- +2 Faith's Shield
- +2 Spellskite
- +2 Knight of the Holy Nimbus
- +2 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
- +1 Basilisk Collar
- +3 your choice/mix of any equipment, with preference given to Bonesplitter , Infiltration Lens and/or Accorder's Shield and less preference given to O-Naginata , Godsend and/or Inquisitor's Flail . Personally I would just pick 3 Bonesplitter as it is something you will ALWAYS want to see (4 power first strikers defeats almost everything in modern). You may also want to drop Sword of Feast and Famine for another SoFaI (as it wins games on its own) or for just another 0-1cmc equip.
SIDE
- -1 Rest in Peace
- -3 Hushwing Gryff
-3 Mana Tithe (I have tried using this card, but TBH it only really works about 40% of the time, if that. A lot depends on circumstance with only the 1mana extra. It's better as a 4-of MB for round 1 only - people usually play more defensive rounds 2 and 3 anyways).
+2 Spellskite OR +2 Faith's Shield (bolster against a removal suite)
- +2 Day of Judgment (OR +2 Dismember , Dispatch , Oblivion Ring , Celestial Flare , Celestial Purge (bolster against a creature/combo focus)
- +2 Timely Reinforcements (compliments your strategy perfectly)
- +1 Torpor Orb OR +1 Sword of Body and Mind (mill provides alt. wincon (esp. against a successful melira pod/finks combo), token helps vs. saccing and heavy removal)
Other sideboard cards to consider: Kor Firewalker , Kitchen Finks / Knight of Meadowgrain , Phyrexian Metamorph , Pithing Needle . If you opt to not run Linvala, a set of 4 needles in your SB would be EXTREMELY potent. I have found Needle to always be an allstar, working as a pseudo-Nevermore each time.
Final note: Spirit Bonds may be worth looking into for the future, esp. if you opt for a midrange route.
Sorry for the freakishly long post lol. Hope this helps.
July 8, 2014 4:15 p.m.
Another thing I forgot until now is Quest for the Holy Relic . This nice little 1 drop can fetch equipment and equip all at instant speed if you find your running enough creatures. Also baits of removal from your equipment from time to time.
:)
July 8, 2014 4:45 p.m.
I would say that Dispatch and Cranial Plating would be two good additions.
July 8, 2014 5:11 p.m.
slovakattack says... #14
jakonater: The problem with Cranial Plating is that it's not great unless you have a bunch of artifacts out. If I don't draw a good amount of artifacts, it's a useless card.
July 9, 2014 2:22 a.m.
esper4life says... #15
I cannot believe that I'm going to be the first commenter on this deck. Wow. I'm not even going to give helpful feedback I'm just doing this to be the first commenter.
July 11, 2014 1:54 p.m.
PlattBonnay says... #16
He's cleared the comments on this a few times, you're not the first commenter. Sorry.
July 11, 2014 2:08 p.m.
slovakattack says... #17
PlattBonnay: What do you think of the changes? It's based off of a bunch of suggestions by MetaphysicalxProdigy. I have yet to formally test it.
July 11, 2014 2:21 p.m.
PlattBonnay says... #18
Is this the version that I played against? Because I still think that in terms of 0 cost equipment, Paradise Mantle is better.
July 11, 2014 8:38 p.m.
slovakattack says... #19
PlattBonnay: This is not. I'm sort of thinking Paradise Mantle as well, at this point.
July 11, 2014 9:52 p.m.
MetaphysicalxProdigy says... #20
Forgot to mention: Blinkmoth Nexus could be useful here, if you need just that one last artifact to secure metalcraft. I would say its slightly better than Darksteel Citadel in the sense that you could create your 1/1 artifact flyer, equip a sword for free, and fly over an enemy Wurmcoil Engine or stalemate from Pod / Soul Sisters / Hatebears / D+T creatures, or tokens from Empty the Warrens / Young Pyromancer , etc.
July 12, 2014 4:42 a.m.
Raoul_de_Cambrai says... #21
ugh all this protection from black! it kills me!
July 14, 2014 2:23 a.m.
I'm liking where you're taking this and running out of ideas to throw at you lol... looks pretty solid dude
July 15, 2014 7:06 p.m.
slovakattack says... #23
Raoul_de_Cambrai: It could be worse, I could have thrown in Paladin en-Vec :P
safearus: Agh, with all that's been going on lately, I've accidentally been neglecting this decklist a bit. I'll update the guide soon, and do another round of playtests. If you're still looking to give me suggestions on a Knight deck, I am also working on
Junkyard Knights Playtest
Modern*
SCORE: 7 | 18 COMMENTS | 397 VIEWS. Any suggestions would be appreciated! =)
July 16, 2014 12:22 a.m.
looks really nice man, see alot of cards ive got which is good to see :D +1 mate.
August 6, 2014 4:14 a.m.
bcornett24 says... #25
slovakattack, I actually have looked at your deck before and had already given it a plus one. (I just don't always feel the need to comment on the deck.) I was looking for a way to make my deck more efficient, though yours didn't provide me with any relevant help at the time, I did love the idea and gave it a +1.
On the other hand, when you just commented on my deck, I took a look at your sideboard and realized I should add Ethersworn Canonist to my sideboard along with Rest in Peace .
You use AEther Vial , my deck, Puresteel Delight doesn't support vial. How would you suggest dealing with heavy counter magic. (I got wrecked by a U/B faerie deck last night.) His plays progressed something like this...Spell Pierce , Bitterblossom , Spellstutter Sprite , Mana Leak , Cryptic Command , Snapcaster Mage with a few Disfigure s tossed in. While using Mutavault and Creeping Tar Pit to slowly beat me down. I am sure this comes partially due to lack of experience in tourney play as well as an inefficient sideboard. I also realize that your deck isn't going to have a strong match against every single other deck you play. Any suggestions you could give me?
I actually separated my knights and equipment/artifacts into two different decks. The one you commented on, and Silly Kniggits.
slovakattack says... #1
lotusofblackness: Sure thing. If you have any suggestions/opinions regarding this deck, I'd love to hear em'- and remember, +1 if you like it! :3
July 7, 2014 5:42 p.m.