Thanks!
I took out 4 land for 4 Birds of Paradise
I do understand Precursor Golem s ability, which is why I included many copies of Withstand Death , Vines of Vastwood and card:Apostle's Blessing. Because if I target Precursor Golem it gives all of my other golems (indestructibility, shroud, and protection.. depending on the card I use).
So, after that. Do you think that the splash of blue is still worth it? Because I've never run a 3 color deck before, I'm concerned with inconsistency and speed. If so what do you recommend that I remove from the deck in order to fit Rite of Replication , Wing Splicer and the counter spells?
June 23, 2011 7:02 p.m.
Actually, I hadn't even thought of using those instants to protect your golems. That's a good idea, and with 11 of those cards, you may not even need any counter spells. If you think you should, you could take out one each of the Vines of Vastwood s and Withstand Death s and put in two Cancel s, but it's not as important as I thought it was, with the other instants you have.
It looks like you have already found space for the Rite of Replication s and Wing Splicer s, so that seems taken care of, and I do indeed think it was worth it. The Phyrexian Metamorph s may be a waste of space though. You can have four Rite of Replication s, which each could give you many new creatures, whereas the Phyrexian Metamorph s only give you one additional creature each, because they're not spells that you can cast on your creatures. I know that each Rite of Replication costs three times as much as the Phyrexian Metamorph s when it's kicked, but you could easily get three times as many new creatures out of each one. But wait! I think I just thought of something awesome! You might have already thought of this, and maybe this why you included those cards. It seems to me that if you had two Precursor Golem s, and you cast a spell that targets only one golem, you would copy it TWICE. This means that with the Phyrexian Metamorph s, you could have a total of six Precursor Golem s, and you could copy spells an additional two times, which would definitely make the Phyrexian Metamorph s worth it.
If you're concerned about mana problems, you might want to include a couple Terramorphic Expanse s. You probably don't want four, because you don't want to detract too much from your actual lands, but two or three would probably be good. I notice that the card costs vs land mana chart says that you have a little bit too much white mana and not enough green, so you could take out all four of your Sunpetal Grove s and put in two forests and two Terramorphic Expanse s.
Something else I've thought of would be to include Celestial Colonnade s. You could take out your Seachrome Coast s. This would give your deck even more flying creatures without taking away any lands. However, with Rite of Replication s and Wing Splicer s, you could (theoretically) end up with a dozen flying creatures, so maybe five mana for yet another flying creature that you can't protect or duplicate with your Precursor Golem s would not be worth changing up your deck for. It's up to you though.
June 24, 2011 12:10 a.m.
Nice Deck, I just uploaded a similar version deck:artful-proliferate
June 25, 2011 1:43 p.m.
okay I took out 1 each of Withstand Death and Vines of Vastwood and replaced them with 2 Stoic Rebuttal s (because it can be a cheaper Cancel ).
When you copy Precursor Golem with Phyrexian Metamorph , does it count as an "instant/sorcery spell that targets a golem"? Because I'm not too sure if it will repopulate like the Rite of Replication does, so I may remove the Phyrexian Metamorph s all together.
And I do really like Celestial Colonnade (the art, what it does, everything lol) so since I only have 3 Glacial Fortress es anyway I took one of those and a Sunpetal Grove for the 2 Celestial Colonnade s that I own lol.
June 25, 2011 1:50 p.m.
The Phyrexian Metamorph s would not count as an instant or sorcery spell targeting your Precursor Golem s, because they are creatures. However, it basically gives you six Precursor Golem s, if you already have one out to make copies of. This pretty much just makes it more likely that you'll get one when you need one.
June 25, 2011 2:07 p.m.
Oh, and there's the thing about possibly copying a spell for each Precursor Golem you have, which would definitely make those two extras worth it. However, I'm not 100% sure about that. I think it should work, but you might want to do a little research to find out for sure.
June 25, 2011 2:09 p.m.
So are you recommending two more Phyrexian Metamorph s or two more Rite of Replication s?
I got confused because you posted two comments and I lost what you were talking about.. lol
June 29, 2011 1:46 p.m.
UPDATE
-1 Mimic Vat
-1 Maul Splicer (removed)
-2 Phyrexian Metamorph (removed)
+1 Wing Splicer
Eh? What do you all think?
June 30, 2011 2:27 a.m.
mozerdozer says... #10
why do you have Elvish Piper ? None of your creatures are high CMC and it's the only non standard card.
July 3, 2011 2:56 p.m.
Just trying some things out, and it helps the deck speed up a bit. Allowing more spamming possibilities. What would you suggest goes in the place of the Elvish Piper ?
July 4, 2011 9 a.m.
NOT a bad deck my friend. But, if i were you i would useStoic Rebuttal . Remember your golems are also artifacts plus you have other good artifacts. You have alot of big monsters and Elvish Piper is okay, but if she get countered is over. So obuse the green RAMP. Overgrown Battlement good ramp plus 0/4 really good defense and Birds of Paradise is good start on RAPMING up your monsters. Master Splicer is too big so use Tempered Steel now your golems are 5/5 beaters. Then last for protection against abillities and spells use Asceticism . I would say used Summoning Trap but its soon to be out from standard. Good deck +1
July 7, 2011 4:22 p.m.
thanks for the +1 man, and do you think I should have the Overgrown Battlement replace the Sphere of the Suns ?
I'm debating whether or not if I should try to keep the deck standard or not because if I'm going standard, I would drop the Elvish Piper s for Overgrown Battlement s instead.
And where should I throw the Stoic Rebuttal s?
July 7, 2011 10:55 p.m.
i think by the time you have the piper out it would be more useful to use it to play a Maul Splicer or something big...
July 9, 2011 3:52 p.m.
well the way I looked at it, i would drop the piper, then play a Precursor Golem for cheap or on my opponents turn to prevent counters. But seeing as how you can kill all the golems with one kill spell by targeting the precursor.. I can have mana open for Withstand Death card:Apostle's Blessing or Distortion Strike , or a counter spell. because i personally don't like having all of my golems dead off of a Lightning Bolt , but that's just me.
also with the piper I can play two golems in one turn opposed to playing one each turn. field advantage is kind of nice sometimes.
July 9, 2011 8:31 p.m.
I'm just going to put the piper in when I play with my friends outside of standard.
July 30, 2011 4:24 p.m.
ThePoptart says... #17
Interesting. I like the concept but I must admit the Precursor Golem s have always made me nervous. So much risk. Though you have it covered well.
I would suggest that the Phantasmal Image s are a bad idea though. You can't target them and save them with your own spells. They still die, though you would save the other golems with your save spells.
I was surprised not to see Master Splicer main board. I would definitely run Mimic Vat as you can really toss those splicers to great effect with that, as well as Intangible Virtue to add some whoop-ass to your tokens. Just an idea.
+1!!
November 15, 2011 2:55 a.m.
ThePoptart says... #18
Also check out my deck The Splice of DOOM!! I'd love your feedback.
November 15, 2011 2:56 a.m.
I like the Phantasmal Image because I can copy the splicers to produce more golems. Or I can use Sun Titan 's ability and bring back a Phantasmal Image from the graveyard to copy the titan.. to bring back a golem, lol. Stuff like that.
I've thought about Master Splicer but I feel like I can do better things with 4 lands.
But I'm thinking about using Intangible Virtue instead of Tempered Steel .. I like the Vigilance.
Thanks for the input! But I think you forgot to actually +1 lol.
andrew92 says... #1
I really like this deck! Golems rock, especially when you have a million of them. I really think you ought to get some mana ramp creatures in this deck, though. For one thing, you have a lot of cards in the 3-5 mana range, which is not a good place to be. Also, you really don't need 26 lands in a 60 card deck, and including mana ramp creatures would allow you to get rid of a few lands, as well as giving some cheaper creatures for the first few turns of the game. I suggest Llanowar Elves and the always-popular Birds of Paradise .
Have you thought of adding a splash of blue? I think it would go well with this deck. For one thing, you have to deal with the dangers of the Precursor Golem s. One thing you may or may not have realized is that (to the best of my knowledge) your opponent can activate its ability as well. If your opponent casts a single Lightning Bolt on a single golem, he copies it for each other golem you control, and all your 3/3 golems are dead. Adding a splash of blue would enable you to have Mental Misstep s, Cancel s and Mana Leak s to counter your opponent's spells. Also, this deck would go from being pretty good to being absolutely TERRIFYING if you put in a few copies of Rite of Replication . If you cast that spell on one of your golems while you have Precursor Golem out, and you kick it, you would get five more golems for every one you already had. If you start out with just three golems, you will end up with 18! Also, if you have a Master Splicer out, just one, ALL THE GOLEMS WILL GET +6/+6!! Yeah, you just won the game. Another cool thing blue is capable of is giving you Wing Splicer s. You don't have much flying in this deck, so Wing Splicer could really help.
The really cool thing is that all these cards I've suggested, including Rite of Replication , are legal in standard tournaments.
June 23, 2011 4:31 p.m.