Comparing Drum and Loam Dryad , I'd rather drop Dryad. They are here for the same purpose, but Dryad is slower due to summoning sickness.

How useful do you find Meloku the Clouded Mirror ? When I play The Turtle, I sometimes find myself without any lands in hand, despite the high number I run... Is Meloku useful enough just for the reuse of Landfall triggers?

Vessiliana: Running him in my Archelos, I'd say he's pretty useful. He can even be a wincon in the Retreat to Coralhelm combo in case you have no bounceland at hand.

seshiro_of_the_orochi yep!

Vessiliana he goes infinite with Patron of the Moon with Archelos in play. pay 1 put with Patron put 2 lands in play untapped with archelos return to your hand with Meloku , make 2 tokens repeat. works with Simic Growth Chamber

I keep on thinking...there should definitely be a way to get into ridiculousness territorial with Uyo, Silent Prophet . Ideas?

seshiro_of_the_orochi Freed from the Real on a Sakura-Tribe Scout with Lotus Cobra ? Or just the infinite mana with coral helm tribe scout combo and copy anything at any time

Hello, I'm a newer archelos player and was wondering if you could give any advice since it seems like you have alot more experience and success with the turtle. it also looks like you still reasonably keep this deck list up to date. I put together a really similar deck to yours it landed on similar conclusions on card choice, but having issues with the early/mid game, essentially leading up to getting your wincon assembled and can start rolling the landfall. My playgroup like yours is pretty proactive and I can start to get beat up pretty quickly.

i feel pretty slow, most of the land comes into play tapped before arch is out, so he comes out slowly, and when I do i feel pretty stagnant but i feel like i have about as much draw effects as you do here. I don't usually find myself with tons of lands in my hand to make use of all these extra land drop card (i even have exploration and burgeoning but -- btw did you decide not to run these?) and just doing my draw per turn. Am i missing something? what things do you find yourself doing to get things moving? before archelos, do you use your land ramp to get "forests" like basic forest or breeding pool i presume? other than that its all coming in untapped and arch might even come out a turn late!

for goad, or ppl just wanting to get attack triggers off, im usually the best target an susceptible to just having beaters coming to me. is this not the case for you? do you rely on your spot removals for this and just hang on until you can assemble your landfall wincons? a good portion of this deck are creatures that arent meant for fighting, if im blocking to stay alive im losing things that tap archelos or can tap to bring lands into play, etc, and often my playgroup has more combat focused board state.

your primer helps alot especially because are card choices are really similar but even with similar cards i just feel like im piloting it wrong or lacking experience. at the moment my archelos feels really underwhelming. i was thrilled to find this decklist because you have the same balance im looking for where you more focus on your things coming into play untapped but still want to tap arch to slow down opponents while not leaning to heavily into that -- so id love to tap into your knowledge/experience a bit if you dont mind, thanks.

"do you use your land ramp to get "forests" like basic forest or breeding pool i presume? other than that its all coming in untapped and arch might even come out a turn late!"

sorry, i meant "other than that its all coming in tapped". im sure you knew what i meant.