Hello, I also run a Primal Surge deck with pretty much the same combo as yours (I think your deck might have inspired me to add this combo lol). It doesn't entirely revolve around the combo and has alt win cons like Craterhoof Behemoth , which I see you also run. My commander is Kresh the Bloodbraided - here's the deck if you want to take a look. Kresh's Surge of Tokens +1 for Primal Surge!

As for suggestions to improve your deck, it looks very solid already. I would say a Grave Pact or Butcher of Malakir can go a long way for board control. I see you have Nevinyrral's Disk there, Oblivion Stone , Plague Boiler and Bloodfire Colossus are good options for permanent-based board wipes. I also second highdesertvike's suggestions of Fauna Shaman and Fierce Empath , both are excellent cards that can make your deck more consistent. Good luck!

Thanks for the +1 the comments and the suggestions. I will be adding in Fauna Shaman , Fierce Empath and Ob Nixilis, the Fallen as soon as I get my hands on them Grave Pact and Butcher of Malakir are great suggestions. I will see if i have either or both of them. Suggestions on what to start cutting?

I feel like you're wasting time with creatures that only put the land in your hand. Instead of Sylvan Ranger, Pilgrim's Eye, and Yavimaya Elder, I'd be using Farhaven Elf , Wood Elves , and Yavimaya Dryad . The more things you can do with creatures than with other permanents the better, so I'd get Loaming Shaman in there instead of Feldon's Cane and Urabrask the Hidden instead of Fervor. If you think you won't accidently give people their win-cons faster than yours can go off Maralen of the Mornsong is a good addition.

Oh and even though it's not a creature I think using Gruul War Chant is definitely worth it.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into getting the replacements you suggested. Right now the deck made from cards I own.

I may be wrong but dosent stuff like Warstorm Surge basically make you win if you manage to Primal Surge ?

I am guessing that your using Rune-Scarred Demon to find surge? Perhaps Brutalizer Exarch , Fauna Shaman could help. Or perhaps some alternate tutor Liliana Vess , Night Dealings (cant think of any others sorry).

...+1 if not only for the commander. Love the originality lol.

Thanks for the suggestions, Im currently working on getting my hands on the shaman and Ms Vess. I totally forgot about the exarch. As for Warstorm Surge and Night Dealings I dont own and have not ever seen those cards. I will be looking into getting the asap. I really like the warstorm.

No worries, if you like Warstorm Surge you might also consider Pandemonium and Where Ancients Tread . Im not sure you will need more than one considering the combo but you might prefer one over the others...

Primal Surge decks are challenging because they force you to think of permanent-based solutions to threats and challenges. As a control player, I am used to having instants and sorceries constantly at my disposal. I'll need to get creative here.

Cards I would consider cutting:

• Chancellor of the Dross - Expensive to cast, not really necessary, ability isn't fantastic.
• Corpsejack Menace - Doesn't really do anything in this deck.
• Garruk's Horde - Seems unnecessary, but could be worth keeping.
• Pelakka Wurm - Seems unnecessary.
• Penumbra Wurm - Seems unnecessary.
• Tyrant of Discord - Seems unnecessary and expensive.
• Vampire Nighthawk - Underwhelming in EDH.
• Druidic Satchel - Seems limited, but might be playable given your circumstances.

Cards I would consider adding:

• Sakura-Tribe Elder - Ramp.
• Sol Ring - Ramp. Borderline in relation to your budget, but these are floating around because of the Commander precons, so you could trade for one.
• Mana Vault - Ramp.
• Birthing Pod - Could work because of your heavy focus on creatures.
• Blood Speaker - Can find Rune-Scarred Demon , which can find Primal Surge . It's a bit roundabout, but it's an option.
• Fauna Shaman - Same application as Blood Speaker .
• Fierce Empath - Same application as above.
• Wild Pair - Could help you sustain until you get Primal Surge .

There are also other ramp artifacts worth considering if you feel you need more ramp.

Dosan the Falling Leaf is a great card to surge into so that nobody can interfere too much after you've surged off.

@Epochalyptik Would you consider Primal Surge decks as "Combo" or just something completely different?

They aren't really combo because Primal Surge is only one card. They kind of require their own category.

Just wondering...how has Ob Nixilis, the Fallen been working for you in matches? Another Landfall creature that would be good is Avenger of Zendikar . I haven't gotten ahold of one yet, but will eventually. It's gonna get real goofy with all the Plants being Allies as well, thanks to Xenograft .

Not sure if you've seen my Surge deck yet, but here it is: Allied Surge

Let me know what you think, and if you feel it's worth it, give it a +1.

It depends how your using Primal Surge if you play it and then win straight up then its a combo. I think it could be classed loosely as a combo here but if he added Hellkite Tyrant and a few more artifacts it would deffinantly be a combo.

...btw have you considered Hellkite Tyrant and a few more artifacts? your most of the way there already.

@ Epochalyptik Thanks for the view and suggestions. I have made a few changes already and will be making more as I aquire the cards.

@ Jelatinator Thanks for the suggestion. I think i actually have that card. Not a bad way to protect my game if I dont have boseiju or the susher out.

@ highdesertvike: I havent been able to surge with Ob on the board yet. But if he comes out and he isnt dealt with right away, he wins the game. This is based on a very limited amount of play with him. I havent had time to get many games in lately. My play group fell apart. I have seen the Avenger before and I like him. He may be a win more card in this deck, but then again isnt most of whats in here. I will be trying to get my hands on a copy.

@ cooknathan I have looked at the tyrant a few times. He may not be bad in this deck, but Im not quite sold on him yet. If I aquired a copy I think I would want to build a deck based around him. But I will keep him in mind in case of future changes.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions everyone.

Can Ipoint out that nobody likes to loose against an infinite combo...please don't be that guy. If you must though...any equipment with Death Touch and Deathbringer Thoctar :D Also the Blasting Station , Conspiracy naming humans and Xathrid Necromancer :D

Enjoy!

@Dickified: Actually, that's a very narrow view of the format, and of Magic in general. Competitive playgroups often favor combo games. How fun a deck is depends entirely on the context of the games in which it is played. As long as you play a combo deck against people who aren't going to whine or denounce you for it, there shouldn't be a problem with it.

Whine and Denounce? Its called meta-ing. It is prevalent in EVERY Format of magic ever. The main 'problem' that I have with direct combo-ing is that people may not have been ready for it/prepared. Cards such as Sorin Markov reducing life totals to 10, and Serra Ascendant being a cheeky one mana 6/6 lifelinking flier are other un-fair advantages that many people take advantage of. When sitting down to play magic, I want to see fun interactions. If I have to pay all of my attention to the guy going infinite to stop their only way of winning I feel bad because neither of us will have fun.

The format, to me, is about big stuff and political plays. With comboing there is no politics. The Deathbringer Thoctar laser is hilarious and easily played around - just don't play creatures.

These are my views and you are fully allowed not to share them.

Do you enjoy plays that go infinite? (Both playing with them and against them)

I'm not saying that you aren't welcome to have those views. I'm saying exactly what you just said: Commander is about playing within your meta. If Replayced's playgroup enjoys combos, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with him using combos. You were wrong to declare that combos are unfun and that he shouldn't "be that guy." Those statements operate on the assumption that combos are universally unfun. Whether or not you think the deck is fun or unfun is, practically speaking, irrelevant unless you happen to playing against Replayced.

And, as an example, I do enjoy playing combo decks. I like using them, and I like playing against them. My primary EDH deck is a tournament-level combo-control deck. But I only play this deck in playgroups that have the same expectations and perspective that I do.

And please don't take this as a personal attack. Rather, I'm making sure it's clear that different playgroups have different standards. The primary problem with EDH is that many people judge everyone else's decks based on their own standards and without respecting that different people have different expectations and perspectives on the format (and the game).

Sorry you feel that way Dickified, but my playgroup consists of 7 other "that guy"s. This is a surge deck, and as it was it could not stand up against the competitive decks I play against regularly. So the only way to compete with them was to add combos of my own. When my group tells me the deck is no fun to play against I will retire it.

Thanks Epochalyptik

Why do you run Hellkite Charger over Aggravated Assault ?

AngelicCookies simply because I own the Dragon and not the enchantment