Yeah, the double-color costs stopped me from running a lot of the cards in this Standard. I think that if I had a lot of shadowlands, that I would only run basics and battlelands alongside it... but Quagmire is too good to leave out a lot of the time.

How are you finding Gitrog so far? I feel like it would do best with a combo of Mina and Denn, Wildborn+Undergrowth Champion, but I'm curious as to if it performs well, and whether it actually needs that much support.

TheBuj: Quagmire is usually an allstar in a control matchup, so I like having it in; but I don't like running a full playset like some brews. I'm testing 3 in paper right now in place of the Evolving Wilds, but I don't know if I'll keep it.

I love The Gitrog Monster in this deck! Two reasons: one, most of my creatures are mono-colored, so he's a threat that will stick against Ultimate Price (and Roast, and Languish, etc). Second, he's kind of a silver bullet in the lategame. I don't like playing him turn five so much in this deck, although it's certainly viable if you're ahead on board and want to close out quickly. I've found that playing him on t5 means I end up with a pretty stable 4-5 mana, which makes it difficult to get to Chandra, Flamecaller.

However, past turn 6, he's just a boss. To answer your question about support, he doesn't NEED that support to be played. That's the best way to run him if you want him to stick around endlessly, but in this deck it's absolutely fine to drop him t8, cycle through some extra lands and end up with a net land loss but a huge hand. In this way he's kind of just card value on a big ol' stick.

I only run him at 1 because he's not a build around, but with Sidisi, Undead Vizier acting as a second copy of any silver bullet and all of the card draw he's easy to find if I want him. And to note, he's bonkers with Tireless Tracker.

I ramble a lot, but basically: in every game that I play him where I want to play Chandra the next turn, he ruins that game plan. So I don't. And in every game where I play him past t5, I've won.

I recommend adding some Thunderbreak Regents, as they are a good size body with flying for evasion.

Also, Grasp of Darkness is a very good removal card, hitting most problematic creatures.

If you want to take a look at my Jund midrange deck, here is the link for you :)

Nice deck, +1 from me, and keep on Junding 'em out!

abby: I took the deck to game day and did a 16 person tourney. note: mine took out one forest and added a hissing quagmire (so 3).I placed 15 out of 16, though that being said i won just under half of the games.my biggest problem was there were a couple games where i was completely land flooded.I would mulligan to 2-3 lands but on turn 3-4 i would proceed to top deck multiple lands.also the meta was a bit different in that half of folks were running goggles, and only about 2 people were netdecking the top 8 decks.

i would greatly recommend Kolaghan's command since you can at minimum destroy the Pyromancer's goggles and either bring back a previously killed creature of yours or make them discard a card. since it will recur with the dark dwellers it really improves your reliability.in my deck i added 2 more evolving wilds since the meta is slower and being able to get more consistent mana albeit slower is very critical. also it's the best you can do to avoid drawing 2-3 straight lands top deck given the cards available in the format.

I'm going to redo the deck and make it different so I'm going to make my won version here.

Thanks!

ae0n5105: Sorry to hear about game day! I am a little concerned about your mana, since I haven't found that flooding is an issue in this deck between Tireless Tracker turning lands into cards and The Gitrog Monster doing the same; and 25 lands is even on the lower end for a 6-curve deck. However, I guess it just can't be helped sometimes.

It does seem like R/G Goggles ramp will be a contender in this meta, and like any midrange deck I assume this deck has a rocky matchup against it; but did you bring Naturalize in your sideboard to the tourney? If so, was it just not working? I prefer it over Command for artifact removal because it can also hit Always Watching and Cryptolith Rite, both of which are huge in the G/W or G/B tokens decks (which took over the GP that happened today). It also hits Stasis Snare and Silkwrap, which are big in B/W Eldrazi and B/W/x control; something to keep in mind. If you know that your meta is large on the Goggles and not the other enchantments, though, then Kolaghan's Command will offer more options.

I hope you can devise a list better suited to your local meta! Good luck!

So I also tried this out on my local's game day. Results were as follows.

Round 1: won fairly easily, against a similar deck that only differed in that it was using white instead of green for things like Declaration in Stone.

Round 2: was a draw in time against a white/green clue brew, with a result of 1/1/1.

Round 3: was a loss against W/u humans. I had an opposite result of ae0n5105. Game 1 I never got over 3 mana, and game 2 I was stuck on 3 mana again until it was too late (like turn 8 and died on 10)

Round 4: W/U humans again, this time lost game 1 mostly to Reflector Mage. Game 2 was a loss as well, but was very close, to the point where if I had 1 more clue or thopter token, I could have won with Pia and Kiran Nalaar, again having issues Reflector Mage throughout the game.

Round 5: Esper control lite, with Dragonlord Silumgar and Dragonlord Ojutai as win cons. won 2/0

My question for you comes in regards to the Reflector Mage. How do you normally handle them? I was considering 2 Infinite Obliteration in place of the 2 Display of Dominance since I can't seem to think of any blue or black permanents I would want to kill, other than the dragonlord's but they are creatures and can't be targeted, or for the 2 Ruinous Path but that came in handy against the round 2 player when i was able to kill his only creature, with the awaken cost onto one of my Hissing Quagmire and activate for just enough damage for the kill.

Inquizitris: Thanks much for the testing results! I've considered Infinite Obliteration for exactly that card before, I hate it. I would like to know what the bouncing was giving you trouble with though; in theory, bouncing Pia and Kiran Nalaar or Goblin Dark-Dwellers or anything else back to your hand should be a difficult choice for them, and bouncing a thopter token shouldn't be too much of a loss. They are a nasty tempo play, though.

I would take out Display of Dominance for sure if you aren't finding that Esper control is anything of a problem. It does kill blue or black planeswalkers (flipped Jace, Ob Nixilis, Sorin) or negate black spot removal (Ruinous Path, Ultimate Price), which is why I liked it. But if you 2-0'd Esper Dragons handily, then it's a nice switch in the sideboard to put in Infinite Obliteration.

I wouldn't take out Ruinous Path, it's been pretty useful in my own testing, so much so that I ended up putting it in the SB against my will just because I wanted it so often against Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, etc.

The targets I recall being bounced with it was Tireless Tracker, Hangarback Walker, and Sylvan Advocate(almost every time I would have another of that same creature in reserve so ended up with 2 dead cards for the turn instead of just one). I didn't see either Jace or Sorin all day(I understand that is probably more of a meta thing, but I didnt see any issues with planeswalkers between Ruinous Path, To the Slaughter, and Transgress and even Duress), Ob Nixilis Reignited was only seen during the Esper round, and that got exiled with Transgress the Mind

Inquizitris: Ah, right, it does mess up Tireless Tracker and the Walker (though I feel like bouncing Sylvan isn't too bad since she's so cheap to replay). I have put in Infinite Oblit for Display of Dominance and I'll be testing with it!

Also working on retooling the deck in light of the stabilized G/W tokens right now. I think it might be big enough in the meta to take over a good amount of sideboard spots.

Interesting idea with putting in Languish, I would like to hear if the testing pays off with that over something like Virulent Plague if the concern is green/white tokens. I know the plague keeps the deck from having thopters as well, but could it be possible that Languish might more often than not wipe your board too? (I know that its possible for Hangarback, the Advocate, and the Tracker to get bigger than what the spell will do, but how late in the game does it have to be for that to happen more the other) I may be not seeing something that you are.

Inquizitris: All sweepers sweep my board as well, generally! So that's not entirely what I'm worried about. I'd put in Virulent Plague but against G/W tokens specifically, they have a full 4 cards in the Mainboard that immediately deal with it: Dromoka's Command. If I'm gonna have a silver bullet card against the deck I want it to be more of a sure thing.

Plus, if you know you're boarding into a sweeper like Languish, you just start using Pia and Kiran Nalaar and other cards as a repopulator after you wipe the board. That way you start to swing the game back in your favor quickly.

That makes sense. I forgot they main deck the command. my bad. was thinking about how Kozilek's Return didn't often phase my side where it usually helped wipe their side.

Have you done any testing with Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet. If the green/black sac deck becomes a decent amount of a meta, it might be worth a look, and he can cause a little hesitation when you use a To the Slaughter without delirium at the end step or in response to a planeswalker activation.

Another question that I was wondering, how has Nissa, Voice of Zendikar worked for you? I only saw her a few times this last weekend, and she didnt seem to do much. not sure if that is because of what i was going against, or if it was just her timing, but I often saw her getting sided out.

Inquizitris: I did testing early on with Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet and I didn't like him much against decks that ran removal; most often he just got instantly targeted and I was left wasting a turn.

HOWEVER, against B/G Aristrocrats (even though I honestly hate the deck and feel like it's not a competitive threat, but I'm just biased) Kalitas is a really, really good card, just like Anafenza, the Foremost used to be. If that deck becomes really competitive and I start having trouble against it I would pick up a Kalitas or two for the sideboard. And as with most of my sideboard choices, if the deck was absolutely everywhere (I'm talking Rally from last standard) I'd make him a maindeck card.

Thanks for the feedback about Nissa! She's one I've been conflicted about for awhile because theoretically, she should probably be Ob Nixilis Reignited. But in testing I've had the opposite experience as you! Whenever I play her, which is usually later in the game, she's really powerful; usually she lets me buff up Sylvan Advocate to a 5/6 making it impossible to attack through to her, or making Tireless Tracker like a 6/5 or so and giving me a sturdy attacker to end the game with. Plus, all three of the planeswalkers have great synergy with one another and I like that about the deck. I also really like that she, like Arlinn Kord  ^Flip, can be dropped on a safe board early on and just start generating advantage.

I am keeping an eye on her for sure, though, along with The Gitrog Monster since they're mostly cards I put in because I like the way they run. As soon as I can start getting to some regular FNMs, should be another two weeks once college lets out, I can start testing different card choices like Ob Nixilis Reignited vs Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and everything. I'll try to get some more testing in on Cockatrice too.

And yeah; based on Cockatrice testing, Languish is just necessary against G/W decks. Makes their saving play of Archangel Avacyn  ^Flip impossible and deals with their buffed up boards lategame; it's worth it to sacrifice your own creatures since it's much easier for you to regain control than it is for them (they've usually dumped their hand).

I am not saying the deck will, but it was in the top 8, so people like to run those.

Like I said with Nissa, it may have just been timing or matchups. She just seemed meh at the time and kept being one of the cards I felt was worth boarding out. I might test with Ob Nix at this weeks FNM if I can free my time to go.

So, how often do you run into Virulent Plague? Seems like it would be a hose against this deck +1 great deck

Hi Ultramegalord, thanks for the +1! I actually haven't run into any Virulent Plague in testing, even back when this deck was more token focused.

It is really annoying for our Arlinn Kord  ^Flip wolves, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet zombies, and thopters, but luckily this deck will survive against it. You can bring in Naturalize to get rid of it, but more likely this deck can just win with the other creatures: Tireless Tracker, Goblin Dark-Dwellers, Sylvan Advocates. It definitely cuts down on our value, but it's not a game ender :)

I was just curious virulent plague Mb is a common occurrence in my meta

I was thinking of testing with Pick the Brain instead of Transgress the Mind. I know its one more mana, but I have seen times where transgress is a miss because they happen to be holding nothing over 2 CMC. Plus the added bonus that if you can hit them with Delirium, you can remove all of the copies.

Inquizitris, let me know if you like it! Just be aware that delirium is a little harder to achieve if you made the change to take out Hangarback Walkers.

I've found that Transgress the Mind usually has a target, and you can side them out if playing against a very aggressive deck. :)

Awesome deck, totally a +1. I would suggest maybe you could run Den Protector and maybe Sin Prodder. I think these may make your deck a bit faster to the finish, just a little bit. The den protector will also help you get anything back you lost to sin prodder, and it's an attacker that gets over tokens.

Carson12rocks Thanks for the +1! I do like Den Protector, but I haven't found that the deck needs much graveyard recursion, especially in this meta of aggressive token decks. However, if I start running into a lot of control, I could see her being a good sideboard choice. I'll add her to the "Sideboard Choices" section so I don't forget.

Sin Prodder, on the other hand, I have already tested and rejected in favor of Tireless Tracker, simply for Tracker's ability to get bigger and because of Pia and Kiran Nalaar's interaction with Clue tokens. Still, I really liked Sin Prodder, so it is already in the "Sideboard Choices" section; similarly, against control it might be a good option to side in for more card advantage.

Oh, yeah, forgot the hangarbacks were out of this build. maybe I will try both builds and see which works better with what.

Can you guys check out my company deck, I'm looking for a Sin Prodder replacement.

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Dude this deck looks amazing but i am on a budget sadly any decks you can recommend i may build this but i will have to change some stuff around to suite my budget any recommendations (Chandra will definitely have to go)

XxTrunks81xX81: Here, I've made a list for you taking out some of the more expensive cards, ones over $20! Budget Jund Control

I hope that helps. You can always replace more things in the deck with better removal, such as Grasp of Darkness or Roast. Unfortunately, cards like Tireless Tracker and Sylvan Advocate end up being rather expensive for a playset but are straight value; there's no one replacement for either card, so you'd have to build towards a more control and removal playstyle.

You can also look at my R/G list for ideas: It's Arlinn's Turf Now (Competitive R/G Midrange!), taking out the Chandras there for other cards. :)