Augustin's $t4ks (cEDH Primer)

Commander / EDH Winterblast

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Schuesseled says... #1

There's also Umezawa's Jitte and Rest in Peace that could potentially be replaced here, I imagine you don't do a lot of attacking with what little creatures you have and from your description of the meta there doesn't seem to be that a lot of graveyard shenanigans would happen (except maybe there hermit druid one, cant remember how that one works.)

The triple blur on invention could be hard to pull off, at the very least you wouldn't be using it till t3 most of the time and you'd be better off using another tutor.

July 2, 2017 9:43 a.m.

hoardofnotions says... #2

Have you already looked at Reshape? It's another transmute artifact that needs less blue than whir of invention

July 2, 2017 11:20 a.m.

Winterblast says... #3

Schuesseled RIP is part of a combo, I can't remove it. I only actively play it when I play against the hermit druid, mimeoplasm or another deck that absolutely needs the graveyard. Other than that I hold it back until I find Helm of Obedience

Jitte is a removal that can be repeatedly used, it gets rid of most important creatures from Arcum Dagsson and his combo fodder to Harsh Mentor, Gaddock Teeg and other nasty hatebears with static abilities. Jitte easily kills ALL creatures under Humility because nothing is bigger than 1/1 then. It can also be used to kill my own Academy Rector or act as lifegain. As long as Inkmoth Nexus is in the deck it's a method to win quickly without any of the combos...I have thought about putting inkmoth in my Rhonas aggro deck though.

Jitte is an artifact, so it can be cast with mishra's workshop, which is also cool. Unless I find a better reusable removal I think I need that card.

The counterspells need to be checked though, especially swan song and negate. It could be better to replace them with counters that can target everything, like Counterspell and Arcane Denial. Sun titan has been a staple for me, also because he can pull off interesting actions with strip mine, wasteland and Aura of Silence, but I could imagine playing with less recursion in the deck. Narset Transcendent might be good in that slot because of the constant draw (only 2 mana with augustin!) and the game ending ultimate. Inkmoth nexus is currently swapped out for Ethersworn Canonist but that one has to prove it's worth yet. There's not too much room for change because bigger changes would have a negative effect on what the deck already does well.

July 2, 2017 11:30 a.m.

Winterblast says... #4

hoardofnotions I have avoided that card until now because it has the sacrifice as additional cost...with transmute artifact you don't sac when the spell gets countered and you don't give away the information which artifact should be replaced and for how much you want to search. I might test it in the one slot I can get by removing inkmoth nexus to see if the effect is worth the risk.

July 2, 2017 11:37 a.m.

Enral says... #5

This deck is brutal and I really can't find any meaningful suggestions to give so I'll give you an upvote! +1

July 27, 2017 10:24 a.m.

Winterblast says... #6

Thanks Enral!

July 27, 2017 10:41 a.m.

Wurmlover says... #7

hey, you commented on my brago list a while back, I think its finally done. Would you mind taking a look at it? I think it works well in general, but I think that it needs an extra boost to make it more fitting in a meta of prossh food chain and krenko and riku.

the deck: ? Soviet Russia: The Deck ?

August 3, 2017 9:03 p.m.

Winterblast says... #8

Wurmlover your deck looks good now imo. I would say the worst you can do to an aggro deck like Krenko is to cast a Cursed Totem and also Torpor Orb but that one wouldn't be a trick with Brago. Foood chain is pretty much stopped with cost increases because the combo doesn't generate infinite mana anymore. It gets even worse with AEther Barrier because that can't be paid with food chain mana. You need to get those pieces out and protect them though. Obviously the combo player will do everything to remove the stuff that keeps him from playing his combo. It's more about keeping these hindering cards in play than actually doing alot yourself then.

August 5, 2017 10:12 a.m.

Wurmlover says... #9

well taxers like Sphere of Resistance don't do anything against food chain since prossh's trigger says however much mana you paid to cast it. aether barrier is good though, thanks.

August 5, 2017 8:41 p.m.

Winterblast says... #10

Wurmlover it holds off General Tazri though, which wants to use the food chain with one of two creatures that can be cast from exile. Cost increases can hurt Prossh as well, because the commander needs to be cast, which is already quite expensive for 6 mana. Raising the cost for starting the combo (and you have to mind that food chain has to be found and cast as well, which also costs mana for tutors and everything) can just buy as much time as needed. My plan here is to remove the lands then and go into beatdown mode or find combo pieces. You can go on with your Brago value generation in that situation.

August 6, 2017 4:53 a.m.

Lord_Khaine says... #11

As a stax fanboy, I bequeathed this deck an upvote.

I normally do or stax, but I have the cards to try . If I do, I'll likely borrow from some of your designs.

August 9, 2017 6:52 p.m.

Winterblast says... #12

Thanks a lot Lord_Khaine! I'll have a look at your decks if you have some stax lists online here.

I haven't build an esper version in real life yet, only this one, Atraxa and Silas Renn/Bruse Tarl. Unfortunately I can't build all simultaneously because I only have one copy of Workshop and Tabernacle and Timetwister and some other expensive cards. My favorite pick for esper would be either Oloro or Sen Triplets, probably rather Oloro because you can kill very fast with Aetherflux Reservoir...let me know if you have tried something

August 10, 2017 3:51 a.m.

Lord_Khaine says... #13

Winterblast, I'll make sure to upload one of my stax lists later today - most of my collection isn't on tappedout.

August 10, 2017 7:43 a.m.

Rabid_Wombat says... #14

Upvoted. Time to go and have a Frantic Search for my last remaining The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale :/

August 16, 2017 2:23 a.m.

Winterblast says... #15

Thank you Rabid_Wombat!

You better find that tabernacle, whatever your Long-Term Plans are, that's not a card you'd like to lose...but do you have an idea how to find the tabernacle while playing? Anything that doesn't involve a tapped land like Tolaria West...

August 16, 2017 3:08 a.m.

Rabid_Wombat says... #16

After a 20 minute Treasure Hunt frenzy the Tabernacle was located in an old shoebox - luckily it's been in an Ultra Pro screw down top loader since "back in the day" phew

Tutors like Crop Rotation, Reap and Sow and Expedition Map are all good for finding it whilst playing ;)

August 16, 2017 4:46 a.m.

Winterblast says... #17

Well, unfortunately I can only play one of these here because I don't have green available. I don't think expedition map is really worth a slot just for finding tabernacle and maybe a strip mine...

What do you think about playing Long-Term Plans instead of Mystical Tutor here?

August 16, 2017 5:08 a.m.

Rabid_Wombat says... #18

Ack, sorry - I'm all about the Green mana with edh!

Long-Term Plans looks like a good idea but being able to Mystical Tutor up a Top, Mox or an Expedition Map seems to be sweeter deal...and someone will probably combo out and win the game the turn before you draw whatever you planned for ;)

August 16, 2017 5:54 a.m.

Winterblast says... #19

The mystical searches for instants/sorceries, I guess you mean Enlightened Tutor which is indeed important. The whole deck tries to prevent combos from going off so it's just a matter of how much I want to search for stuff that is not an artifact or enchantment, basically planeswalkers, creatures and lands at the cost of putting them 3rd from the top (which isn't too bad with divining top, jace and other draw engines)

August 16, 2017 6:35 a.m.

JoaoWockeez says... #20

7k deck, that's sad.

August 24, 2017 5:49 p.m.

Winterblast says... #21

JoaoWockeez you could build a budget version without the kaladesh inventions

August 24, 2017 6:03 p.m.

Podma101 says... #22

Don't know much about stax, but I know a mean deck when I see it. +1, very well done!

August 31, 2017 7:21 a.m.

Hey there,

I play meren stax and currently am trying to build a different color scheme for all the stax artifacts and such, was going to build oloro or derevi with ga4 in the deck for the extra colors, but ga4 is just SO good i was sold on him as a meren Alternative

I really like this list, a lot of the cards I already own and your primer description ia very informative and assists me with building my own ga4 version minus tabernacle and some other budgetless cards

+1 for the informative primer and disgustingly well brewed decklist, and thanks for the ideas and WU card explanations sir! (Or madam)

August 31, 2017 4:36 p.m.

Winterblast says... #24

Thanks goblinguiderevealpls! Good that you can use my descriptions and reasoning for the included cards. I don't know if a budget version would work in the same way though, because several decisions are based on having exactly those cards in the deck.

Without tabernacle and other more expensive cards the strategy has to be changed...you wouldn't have a chance of getting ahead of creature AND artifact based ramp without some of the expensive cards. You also wouldn't play as many artifacts and the metalworker combo if you don't have a mishra's workshop available...without moat you would have to play wrath and other mass removal and therefore would not play as many important creatures that you want to keep under all circumstances. Different budget certainly requires a different build, keep that in mind.

August 31, 2017 5:20 p.m.

Good to know.

One day ill win the lottery so i can go buy Timetwister for my nekusar edh, but hey if you can afford to run them, DO IT. I can see why $t1ks is significantly lower in power :( oh well, nice deck!

August 31, 2017 5:25 p.m.

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