like your deck idea...but what's plan B? For instance...say your opponent drops thoughtseize turn 1, targets an enduring renewal or your grinding station, then follows it up with a surgical extraction or extirpate. Do you just rake at that point?? I see no other way this deck could win the game without hitting your combo. Just some food for thought...you may want to figure out another wincon.
August 11, 2015 8:08 a.m.
oblivion234 says... #3
good point, i don't know what would be another good wincon. I think I should just focus on making that not happen what would be a good way of doing that though...
August 11, 2015 10:47 p.m.
oblivion234 says... #4
I am thinking of putting a Leyline of Sanctity mainboard and replace the dragon's claws in the sideboard.
August 12, 2015 12:36 a.m.
leyline is always annoying, but unless you have it in your opening hand (which is unlikely if you don't run 4, and running 4 is sort of impractical) it probably wouldn't help you, b/c fast modern decks will surely drop a thoughtseize or inquistion before turn 4 and disrupt the combo. Even if you do get a leyline out, R/G/W decks would have no problem removing it, B/U decks could still return it to your hand with cards like repeal for example. So it's by no means a full proof plan to prevent the combo from not getting disrupted.
My focus would be on having a few other infinite mill/combo options. Or even an infinite turn combo with something like thopter assembly/time sieve. But that combo can be slow, but may work well with your 0 cost artifact creatures. Perhaps you could incorporate cards like mind crank/dustmantle guildmage, or pili pala/grand architect's infinite mana combo as other ways to a wincon.
Just spitting things off the top of my head, these options might not be ideal, but something to think about & build off of. Good luck with the deck!
August 12, 2015 3:21 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #7
Since you already have a few Gifts Ungiven, your could have a transformative SB gifts-package with an Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Iona, Shield of Emeria and Unburial Rites with 2 additional Gifts Ungiven. Just make sure you have a black mana source in your MD and you'd be set if you're worried about your main combo getting disrupted (like with Stony Silence). Cool deck idea!
August 24, 2015 10:41 a.m.
If you ran Altar of the Brood in the mainboard you could still manipulate the combo to kill your opponent and not care about their Leyline of Sanctity. Not to mention it's more artifacts to your cause.
It's essentially another win condition because you just keep playing your zero drop creatures. You could also run Heartless Summoning if you were looking to win without Grinding Station, because one of your biggest problems is going to be your opponent's turn 2 Stony Silence in game 2.
Altar of the Brood + Heartless Summoning + Enduring Renewal + Ornithopter.
November 20, 2015 11:46 a.m.
oblivion234 says... #10
Hmm good idea for another deck adding black would screw up the mana balance a bit too much for this deck. Also you are right about the Stony Silence I am putting Demystify in the sideboard for it :D
November 20, 2015 2:35 p.m.
I would strongly consider the advantages of Altar of the Brood mainboard and/or sideboard. My point here is you don't have to waste time with the sideboarding things to deal with Stony Silence.
Look at it this way:
You don't even know if your opponent has SS for sure in their sideboard. SS is staple sideboard tech and has no place in a meta mainboard list. So you're left to assume that if they're running any flavor of white that they'll bring it in. You don't KNOW. You're answer to it is also in your sideboard. If you bring in Demystify to deal with a suspected SS, only to never see a SS then you've just removed two or three cards that were infinitely more valuable to you.
As for adding black. Two or three Watery Grave or Godless Shrine would do you fine if only for the card I suggested. You could fetch for them with your Flooded Strand.
I'll also make one more suggestion that might be a bit odd at first. By adding black you open yourself up to another option to make your combo move MUCH faster.
Back in last standard I had a Jeskai combo deck that manipulated a number of combos such as the Midnight Guard + Ornithopter and Briber's Purse + Zephyr Scribe combos in conjunction with Retraction Helix and Altar of the Brood on board. It also used Jeskai Ascendancy to make it easier to combo and loot the deck out for tech. I later realized the value of Disciple and added her as the entire deck ran off of 0 through 3 drops and I could quickly recycle one card for the other I needed. I already had Springleaf Drum (which I'd also consider as you can use it with your zero drop creatures to accelerate your mana) so using it in conjunction with her helped me combo out faster. She was the cheapest tutor in standard at that time. The deck was turn 2 capable to say the least. Turn 2 was next to impossible, but possible.
I've spent a lot of time staring at some combo decks and I've learned the faster you can combo the better. Your opponent has less time to learn and less time to respond. This deck you have is an awesome idea but I feel like with just enough tweaking and searching you can make it much faster and more reliable.
Please toy with some of my suggestion. Make a copy and just add some black and test it out. You might enjoy the results.
November 20, 2015 3:50 p.m.
This looks like an awesome deck, however it seems to be missing the most critical card for any Azorius Deck... Azorius Arrester. With all seriousness, this looks like a fun deck to play! (not for the opponent)
December 29, 2015 10:02 p.m.
oblivion234 says... #14
Thank you, I appretiate the kind comment. But you are right I must now take out all of the Grinding Stations and replace them with Azorius Arresters :D
Hotdice26 says... #1
like your deck idea...but what's plan B? For instance...say your opponent drops thoughtseize turn 1, targets an enduring renewal or your grinding station, then follows it up with a surgical extraction or extirpate. Do you just rake that that point?? I see no other way this deck could win the game without hitting your combo. Just some food for thought...you may want to figure out another wincon.
August 11, 2015 8:06 a.m.