Yeah, I do already have 9 recursion effects which is more than the bulky creatures I have. Sejiri Shelter  ^Flip would be fine, but the land side comes in tapped which I don't like.

Added Hall of the Bandit Lord and Hanweir Battlements  ^Meld to supplement what haste I already had, since they're lands.

Thoughts on these? Chandra's Incinerator, Satyr Firedancer, Light of Promise, Sunbond, Cradle of Vitality, Adarkar Valkyrie, Angelic Renewal, Graceful Reprieve, Cauldron of Souls, Homura, Human Ascendant  ^Flip, Minion Reflector, Twinflame, Heat Shimmer

king-saproling ooooo I forgot about Chandra's Incinerator, that could be some very useful and repeatable removal. Will mostly come down for at most two mana. This one is definitely going in the maybe board.

Satyr Firedancer is a definite no. Not enough instants and sorceries that deal damage in the deck, although there are some, just not enough to justify a spot for this.

So this is an entire collection of the same type of card. Basically I like these effects, but I don't want too many. The max I would be willing to run is two. It helps flesh out the deck, but it's not the main strategy. I like Light of Promise best out of your suggestions. Could potentially replace Nykthos Paragon if I find I only need to be buffing one creature instead of four or five. Maybeboard it goes for testing. Sunbond is just worse Light of Promise and I don't want too many of these effects. I would rather just have Nykthos Paragon than Cradle of Vitality, it's more efficient. If I were to go with two, which two would you suggest, and what would you suggest be taken in its place?

Adarkar Valkyrie is just too expensive for what it does; I used to run it. Maybe over the next few years, if Boros gets access to a plethora of ramp instead of what we have, it might find a way, but now it's just too slow. Angelic Renewal though is something I've been meaning to add to the maybeboard. Two-mana, choose whenever you'd like to reanimate a creature, is pretty good. Graceful Reprieve is not as flexible as Angelic Renewal, and what I already have in the deck is just better. I actually don't think I need more reanimation. Surprisingly, that's not the issue. While I love the political power of Cauldron of Souls, I used to run it, and I find it incredibly slow and clunky. Could be good in more political groups and slower groups than mine though.

Homura, Human Ascendant  ^Flip is expensive, clunky, and it costs mana to use on its flip side as well. I have more efficient ways of pushing through damage than him. Not a fan.

Minion Reflector would be a good choice if my reanimation package wasn't so good, but Boros has gotten some buffs in the past year or so, which makes this a sub-optimal choice.

Twinflame.... huh. I always thought this was a threaten effect for some reason. I don't think it could earn a spot, but I see enough there to where I'm more than happy to test it and be proven wrong. Maybeboard it goes. Not as impressed by Heat Shimmer though.

Sorry if it seems like I'm just shooting all your ideas down. Youve made some good ones and given me a lot to think about. This list is just REALLY tight.

king-saproling If you have points to better argue for these cards though I'd love to hear them. This is probably my second favorite deck, so of course I want to make it as good as I can (without infinite; I don't like to play with infinite).

Now that is a sweet, SWEET Brion tech! I love it!

Any thougts on Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip?

lil_cheez THANKS! I appreciate the upvote!

Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip is neat. I don't like that it's three mana. I do like that it's potentially a land if I need the land drop. I haven't tested ENOUGH with the new updates to be able to give a definite answer. What I have right now is better in Thud and Fling (and obviously my commander). It is tied for third with Rupture if I decide to add a third effect. Being able to finish everyone off at once is an appealing, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to pull it off safely.

Hey Deathstroke2791 glad I could put some food for thought out there. Personally I would cut these:

• Taurean Mauler (seems like a sweet early game play but a bad one to draw late)

• Thud (not needed)

• Fling (not needed)

• Wheel of Fortune (aids opponents)

• Wheel of Misfortune (aids opponents)

• Reconstruct History (seems like this could be a dud half the time)

There are others I would cut but I think it'd be too big a deckstyle change. For example I'd cut out a lot of the removal and protection and replace it with fast mana/ramp for a faster glass-canon setup. That or just swap in a bunch of big dumb fun stuff to make it a "I already got my win for the night so I'm playing this" sort of deck haha. But that's just my preference.

Anyway your list is great as is, tons of cool stuff in there. Kudos for playing Brion, he's rad

You have a point about Taurean Mauler. I haven't ever drawn it late, so I never thought about it. I either draw it early or never, but that doesn't mean you're wrong.

I used to think the same thing about Thud and Fling, but you'd be surprised how effective and needed they actually are.

Wheel of Fortune and Wheel of Misfortune aids opponents sure, but Boros doesn't have much other way to get several cards in hand at once. Until they print better draw in these colors, it's what I'm going with.

Reconstruct History hasn't been in here long, so I don't have the largest sample size. But what I have seen, it's almost NEVER been a dud. Still in testing phase though, so it could turn out you're right.

Yeah. I'm wanting to play this deck more midrangey, not glass-cannon. I think that's just a difference of deck styles like you said. I hate not being able to interact with opponents. I'm a big advocate for having what removal I do. I wish I could fit more, but I just have to accept Boros isn't the MOST interactive color combo.

Why have you not included Firey Emancipation

griffstick I would guess it's actually overkill. Onefold damage normally does the trick. If it doesn't two-fold has never not finished it off. I guess I could try it out, worse comes to worse I just take it out. But I would be willing to bet it's an unnecessary addition. Triple damage would really only help out my smaller utility creatures which I'm almost never including in damage situations anyway.

I like the idea and the deck! I wonder if you like Scuttling Doom Engine or Evra, Halcyon Witness for a higher curve-- I'd love to life swap with Evra and gain it right back while killing someone.

DeeLight

Scuttling Doom Engine was in the original iteration of this deck. It was definitely serviceable, and I'd recommend it for a budget build, but if it can be afforded, there's better stuff out there.

Evra, Halcyon Witness is AWFUL against removal and if people really think about it, it's a non-bo.All the card that rely on having a high life total are SCREWED if you use Evra: Serra Avatar, Soul of Eternity, Aetherflux Reservoir, etc. So while it looks good on first glance, it's bad.

Typo

Cursed Mirror early game will just be ramp for us. I normally don't like ramp with mana value greater than two, but if we run into this guy late game, it's a super mana efficient way for us to copy one of our large creatures, and fling it; it even provides its own mana to activate Brion.

If you copied a creature, it loses the "tap, add red" and so cant also pay for brion

SpecimeN87.... damn. You're right. I don't know how I overlooked that. That's a super simple ruling.

I'd just like to weigh in on the Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip suggestion if you don't mind. I don't think you replace Fling or Thud with it; however, I think it would be a solid addition to the deck. The way I view most MDFC's is as a land with upside. I'll usually cut a basic land (assuming I have plenty, and you do in this deck) and plan on playing the MDFC as a land 75% of the time. However, 25% of the time it'll be a relevant spell. That's why MDFC's are so good. They act as lands that have an occasional spell tacked on. Following that train of thought, Ondu Inversion  ^Flip might be something to consider in place of one of your board wipes. That would also free up a slot for an additional card.

Also, a card that I think would be hilarious in this deck is Lifeline. You don't need it as your reanimation package is already solid, but it would definitely do work in this deck.

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor, of course I don't mind. Always love discussions on how to make my decks better (pending it's along the same style of play I'm aiming for).

Ondu Inversion  ^Flip is a definite no from me. An 8 mana boardwipe or a TAPPED land. There's BARELY any upside here. If I were running a budget deck this would recieve different consideration.

Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip is a potential land I understand, but I'm worried about the fact that it comes in tapped will slow the deck down. I already have three of those as is, and that's even more than I would normally be comfortable running. I guess I could test it and find out though. The worst that would happen is I just put a basic land back in.

Lifeline is good you're right, but you're also right that I'm already pleased with my reanimated package (for now).

Fair enough on those points. Keeping the tapped land count low is always a good idea, but I am more lenient when the land also doubles as a impactful spell when I need it. Essentially I view MDFC's as a flexible spell in the land slot. As far as for the individual cards, Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip is just another form of Fling so it's more for redundancy in your deck, but as for Ondu Inversion  ^Flip and Valakut Awakening  ^Flip (forgot to mention this one earlier), I have nothing but high praise for both those cards. Both have over-performed for me.

While the casting cost of Inversion is high, I would disagree that it has zero upside. Most board wipes aren't necessary until later in the game where high cmc is less of a problem, but Inversion has the added bonus of never getting stuck in your hand since you can always play it as a land. That being said, Ondu Inversion  ^Flip is best suited in green decks since it hits non-land permanents. Boros can struggle to rebuild after a board wipe like that.

Valakut Awakening  ^Flip is just straight gas. Great card draw in red at instant speed that is essentially your own personal Wheel of Fortune. This card has gone into every red deck I own.

Now.Valakut Awakening  ^Flip. THAT'S a card I can get behind. That card is worth potentially just being a tapped land.

Just curious, but why isn't Gift of Immortality in the deck?

TeyoSelflessProtector, Gift of Immortality is the perfect card for this deck its easy repeatable recursion. This card allows you to sacrifice any creature, for instance a Metalwork Colossus or Dockside Extortionist to Brion Stoutarm and bring it back every turn at no cost for direct damage and value.

oh yah I'm sorry. I didn't read that you had replaced it. I still don't understand why you put in Angelic Renewal. It only recurs once and only costs one less, so it doesn't affect curve that much.

TeyoSelflessProtector, griffstick, I have NOTHING but high praise for Gift of Immortality. I didn't specify very well in my update, but all I'm doing is testing Angelic Renewal because I want to know if it's enough. Is Gift of Immortality overkill when trying to go for the win? However, I didn't think about it's utility with stuff with etb effects. That's definitely another side to consider.

Hmmmm, what do y'all think of Pallimud?

Gideon's Avenger and Scourge of Geier Reach are both cards that can be pretty ridiculous power-wise.

Legendxp, hmmmmm. Those are certainly interesting. They'll definitely go in the maybeboard for now. I'm just not sure if they'll outperform what I already have here. I'll certainly start to keep track in my games though of when I'd like to see them in hand.