TheHamster says... #2
I was summoned? Looks pretty good with the update. It's coming along nicely. I'd give suggestions but they'd all be overbudget since I have a wildly different playstyle with my Brion (play Boros Pillowfort) but looks pretty swanky! much better then when I first saw it.
August 12, 2017 1:23 a.m.
landofMordor says... #3
Hey friend. Thanks for thinking of me -- I'm happy to help!
It's a solid build. I don't have any groundbreaking revelations for you, because it's so good. Maybe, just maybe, damage doublers like Insult / Injury/Quest for Pure Flame/Dictate of the Twin Gods/Curse of Bloodletting could help you, as it's essentially a +X/+0 in a different form. Heartless Hidetsugu is definitely one-sided in this deck. Also, I'd think about cutting some of the one-use creatures you have like Ball Lightning in favor of things that grow over time. Falkenrath Marauders comes to mind as one example. Check out my deck @ Blood-Braided Beatdown (Primer) for a very similar concept in Jund colors to see what I mean.
Anyways, hope that helps! Excellent deck.
August 12, 2017 12:06 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #4
Overall, the deck looks good, especially on a budget! I'm a fan of RW as an EDH color combination - if you want to look over a deck in exchange, and also find some cards you might use, I'd appreciate if you'd look at my Judgment Day: Avacyn the Purifier EDH | *PRIMER* deck haha.
I feel like your deck could use a Gratuitous Violence. It would double the damage your hasty creatures deal, while also doubling the damage (and life gain) you reap from Brion throwing them. To spit it out earlier, you could run Academy Rector, and use Brion to sac her :)
I would highly recommend Test of Endurance over Felidar Sovereign: cheaper, and harder to remove.
Crumbling Colossus is your weakest high-power creature by quite a margin, and would be my first cut.
I'd also consider finding a slot to put Kor Cartographer back in: RW does not get much ramp, and she can fetch a Sacred Foundry if you decide to buy one.
You have Swords to Plowshares in here, but there's other removal you might want to be playing (Path to Exile, Oblation, Chaos Warp, etc). Also, add an Enlightened Tutor to your Sunforger Package; you'll thank me later haha.
Your ramp is...marginal at best, I'm afraid. I personally would try to play all of the 2-mana rocks you can, since they let you cast Brion on T3. That suggests Coldsteel Heart, Fellwar Stone, Fire Diamond, Marble Diamond, Iron Myr, Gold Myr, and Mind Stone (listed from best to worst). Normally I'd suggest Mana Crypt too, but it's worth half as much as your deck in total ;) I'd cut your 3-mana rocks wherever possible.
RW always lacks card draw. You literally only have 2 cards in this deck that can draw you cards, however. That is a PROBLEM. I'd recommend getting a Memory Jar, Wheel of Fortune, Reforge the Soul, and Wheel of Fate. Yes, I am aware of the cost of Wheel, but it's vital to your deck, and it's a good investment (price keeps going up, and it's good in every red deck). If you're feeling fancy, Scroll Rack+Land Tax is another super good combo ;)
Hope that's helpful! :)
August 12, 2017 12:49 p.m.
freakingShane says... #5
I'll be honest, I think this deck is great. And really, I'd still consider it fairly budget. ~$100-150 is the cap for a budget deck in my opinion. Either way, I think this is a hilarious and powerful deck.
I don't have much to add, suggestion-wise, other than strongly recommending Illusionist's Bracers (which I know you are already considering).
Some other things you could consider, although not necessary, would be:
For early game redundancy, or in times where Brion Stoutarm is out of reach, you could throw Fling in here. It just adds a touch of redundancy when needed, or overkill when not needed.
If you get into situations where you have to sac multiple creatures and can only do one with Brion, you could add other sac outlets as well. Those could be Ashnod's Altar / Phyrexian Altar for additional mana or Goblin Bombardment to squeeze out a little more damage.
Sac outlets of any kind can pair well with Cauldron of Souls and a board wipe. Give everything persist, wipe the board, sac everything in response, bring them back and sac again. That could definitely be too much of a "build around", but I think that could be hilarious and salt on the wounds for your opponents.
I also agree with much of Daedalus19876 above comment, too. I know the Scroll Tax combo isn't the cheapest, but it is basically Ancestral Recall with more upside. Without breaking the bank completely, I will leave it at this! Haha. Again, nice deck, man!
August 12, 2017 1:55 p.m.
Sweet deck, +!
It already looks very tuned, but I'd consider Enlightened Tutor. With nearly a quarter of your deck being artifacts/enchantments, this would serve you well.
August 12, 2017 7:06 p.m.
Suns_Champion,
This looks really fun; big +1 from me!
With all the usual caveats (I have no idea what your meta is like, I've never actualy played your deck so I'm just theorycrafting here, etc), here are a few thoughts:
- I know lots of people swear by it, but I've never been a big fan of Temple of the False God. It's kind of underwhelming early (IMO) and I never really miss it late.
- I'm not sure the deck wants another 7-drop at all, but Stalking Vengeance in a sac' heavy deck can be pretty bonkers.
- In EDH, I always make it a point to look at any spells with "Whenever an opponent casts a spell ...". For this deck, Taurean Mauler and Sunscorch Regent may be worth looking at.
- It's totally a meta call, but if (other people's) Treason effects are an issue in your meta, you may want Homeward Path. I'm a big fan of Rogue's Passage as well, if your manabase can support it.
- Chandra, Flamecaller?
Draw well!
August 12, 2017 11:55 p.m. Edited.
Suns_Champion says... #8
Welcome everyone! You are all a testament to the amazing community we have her on TappedOut. I called for help, you all answered. My cup overfloweth.
MegaMatt13 - Thanks for the comment! Yeah I think I will be putting more plains in. That will also help if I decide I want Emeria Shepherd as well. Nim Deathmantle is great but the mana ramp required just seems to expensive to for me atm, so I'm straying away from it for now. Molten Primordial may be a good finisher and yeah, Sun Titan is going in. I'm at least putting Gratuitous Violence in soon, not sure I like the double edged sword of the others. I stay away from them because of my brother's Zurgo Helmsmasher deck. And I like the tucking/exiling board wipes because of my friend's sliver deck. Thanks again!
jwe94 - Double dipping commenting ;) Thanks! I like Flayer of the Hatebound. The rest don't really seem worth it. Stalking Vengeance used to be in here but I found it's too slow/costs too much. Thanks again!
Oloro_Magic - Thanks for stopping by! Bonehoard looks neat and Moltensteel Dragon could be great as I'll usually have a lot of life. I'll try em out! the rest are either too expensive(looking at you, Chandra), or just don't seem like the best fit. Appreciate you commenting!
zandl - I like all those lands, I'll add them in eventually. Sun Titan is going in. Universal damage doublers are too risky with my brother's Zurgo Helmsmasher deck. Gratuitous Violence will find a place though. Thanks a lot!
TheHamster - Hi again! Just figured you'd like to see the progress! You were my first commenter hahaha! I'm pretty happy with what it's become. Thanks!
landofMordor - Thanks for the comment friend! I have Insult / Injury and will be adding Gratuitous Violence. The others are too risky. Heartless Hidetsugu may work... I'll think about him. I like the Ball Lightning cards too much. It's the main gimmick of the deck so I won't be giving them up haha! Checked out you deck; very nice! Thanks again for stopping by!
Daedalus19876 - Thanks for all the advice! I've actually already seen and upvoted your Judgement Day haha! Gratuitous Violence is going in. Felidar Sovereign will be leaving me soon so I won't add ToE for the same reason he's leaving. Crumbling Colossus will be cut soon-Iroas, God of Victory you think? I've kept Kor Cartographer in the sideboard for that very reason. He'll probably find his way back in. Yes I've been needing more removal and those are all good options. Enlightened Tutor may find a place even with Sunforger possibly being cut. I also think you're right about the 2 cost mana rocks... good advice. All those card draw options are amazing but very expensive. Will keep them in mind but for now I'll find cheaper alternatives. Thank you a thousand times my friend!
freakingShane - Thanks for the kind words friend! Yup, the Bracers are going in. All those other cards I'll consider as a package, may perhaps replace my Sunforger package with them. Thanks a ton!
Forkbeard - Thanks for the upvote! I will consider Enlightened Tutor! Definitely an upgrade for Open the Armory. Thanks again!
clayperce - Appreciate it man! I've never had an issue with Temple of the False God. Works fine for me. Taurean Mauler doesn't work because of my friend's Sliver Overlord, but Sunscorch Regent is nice. Also adds life gain! Other people's treason effects aren't an issue. Never have enough pre-combat mana for Rogue's Passage. I'll consider Chandra. Thanks a lot!
Again, just want to thank you all for the kind words and advice! I've got a lot to think about!
August 13, 2017 12:23 a.m.
MoGoose831 says... #9
Changes look great.
I just found two cards that are on budget and worth a try, check out Debt of Loyalty, off color creature steal that no one will expect, and Dawn Charm is absolutely amazing versatility wrapped in a super budget friendly package almost an auto include for any white decks I have WHITE COUNTERSPELL!!!!!
August 13, 2017 5:16 a.m.
VesuvanDoppelbanger says... #10
Fling in a deck, as a creature, in Magic in general, has always been a sweet spot for me. I love it.
Here are some seasoning suggestions to spice that baby up.
Ogre Battledriver - I'm aware Ball Lightning-type creatures don't need haste, but that +2 adds up quick.
Homura, Human Ascendant - Fling it, now everything is bigger and has evasion.
Ronin Warclub - Here you go Mr. Raging Elemental of Fiery Fury, have a club. Every time.
Grafted Wargear - Even better. Equipment without Equip costs feels like cheating.
Steelshaper's Gift - You're already running enough Equipment to justify it, plus these 2 I just mentioned.
Pandemonium - Risky, but better costed than Warstorm Surge.
Gift of Estates - Hitting those lands drops is very meaningful in colors that don't ramp.
Treasonous Ogre - Highly effective at fueling power plays. You're gaining tons of life anyway, right?
Gamble is on-point for the bad luck theme.
I see that Lifeline is already in your MaybeBoard. That effect is bonkers with sac-creatures.
All in all, a beautiful deck with power and personality. Bravo.
August 14, 2017 2:21 a.m.
I actually saw someone mill a person with this deck using Altar of Dementia they had like ten 10/10 creatures that they couldn't attack with and they sacked all of their creatures to mill their opponent. A weird way to win but it was fun to watch. Just a suggestion that you might end up winning with
August 14, 2017 3:29 a.m.
Deck looks good...I remembered making some suggestions on it before it before...I still think Emeria Shepherd could be pretty great. Cheers!
August 14, 2017 10:55 p.m.
Suns_Champion says... #13
MoGoose831 thanks haha! I'll think about those. Kinda like Lapse of Certainty and Mana Tithe.
VesuvanDoppelbanger Thanks for stopping by, friend! Of all of those I like Grafted Wargear and Steelshaper's Gift the most, though I already have Open the Armory and I am considering Enlightened Tutor so I probably won't need the Gift. Gift of Estates is nice! Budget Land Tax almost. Will consider it but may just save up for Land Tax and Weathered Wayfarer. Gamble really is on theme hahaha it's on the list! I'll think about Treasonous Ogre. Thanks for all the suggestions!
Isaiah13 Thanks for the comment! Interesting card but not really what I'm trying to do here. Thanks anyway!
Rzepkanut Thanks for giving it a second look! Yeah I'm looking for cuts to make room for more recursion like her. Thanks again friend!
EternalBrewmaster I used your background formatting, hope you don't mind! gave you a shout-out in the description! Thanks!
August 15, 2017 10:43 a.m. Edited.
hoardofnotions says... #14
Mass Mutiny could be great. Especially if you run more sacrifice outlets, or thornbite staff. Maybe over a 4 mana threaten effect?
August 19, 2017 1:37 p.m.
Hello, I really like this deck you have put together! I've been working on my own Brion deck and this has provided a number of helpful ideas. Just a few things, though:
Cards like Serra Avatar and Malignus cannot be tutored for using Recruiter of the Guard. The stars for their power and toughness indicate that their stats are updating no matter what zone they're in.
Unfortunately, I can't read the majority of your primer! When I try and open one of the sub-boxes the large box containing them closes (perhaps only one box can be open at a time?). I'd love to read over what you've discovered about the deck, so please let me know once you have that fixed. Thank you!
August 21, 2017 2:37 a.m.
Hyperalgialysis says... #16
I have the same problem as the poster above. Yeago should be able to help you, deck looks pretty cool btw. Planar Cleansing would be a good addition. Doesn't look like you have much interaction with enchantments and artifacts, so a board wipe that gets those, and walkers might be worth a slot.
August 21, 2017 4:09 a.m.
Suns_Champion says... #17
hoardofnotions Thanks for the suggestion! I'll be considering it along with Insurrection and Mob Rule.
brewtzar, Hyperalgialysis: Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I hadn't even noticed! Fixed the problem, it looks long and spread out but I'll figure out how to condense it later. Good enough for now.
Anyway, brewtzar hope my deck can help you! Link yours when you have it up and I'll check it out! Yeah I discovered that fact about the recruiter last week, hadn't fixed my description or updates. Real bummer haha. Thanks for the comment!
Hyperalgialysis good suggestion! I'm slowly adding more artifacts/equipment so I don't know if Planar Cleansing will be the right fit, but I'll keep it in mind as I do own one! Thanks!
August 21, 2017 7:39 a.m.
Suns_Champion Great, thank you for the fix! I'll dive on into that now.
Here's my current deck list, freshly posted: Sir Flingalot. I'll be writing up a primer soon!
And yeah, it's a real shame about the recruiter. Still though, it works real well with Ball Lightning and such, so that makes it pretty worth it.
August 21, 2017 1:24 p.m.
Hyperalgialysis says... #20
Stalking Vengeance has all star written all over it.
August 23, 2017 3:21 a.m.
Suns_Champion says... #21
DerpyFace He's cool. Not great against wide strategies and only good against voltron if they aren't hexproof. Is he worth the $8? I'll think about him.
Hyperalgialysis Stalking Vengeance used to be in here but under-preformed. Thanks for the comment!
August 23, 2017 10:26 p.m.
bushido_man96 says... #22
Its essentially a damage doubler, so it seems like it would be decent.
August 24, 2017 2:53 p.m.
bushido_man96 says... #23
Glad to see that Lifeline works for you. There is nothing quite like sacing a bunch of fatties to deal all that damage, and then your opponents have to see them coming back for the next turn!
August 25, 2017 2:55 p.m.
Have you thought of throwing in some eldrazi, ones like Artisan of Kozilek or Desolation Twin while their mana costs are steep they aren't any of the titans so the are low priced and will still pack a serious punch
August 25, 2017 3:35 p.m.
Suns_Champion says... #25
bushido_man96 yeah I can't wait to try it out. It'll nicely nagate all the sack effects in my meta.
xander11 I've considered them... especially with Sneak Attack being in the deck now. I'm just concerned about the mana cost and what that does for my curve.
zandl says... #1
I'm currently on vacation away from my computer, but I can give you some general tips.
Ash Barrens is better than Evolving Wilds in nearly every single way.
Clifftop Retreat and Slayers' Stronghold are relatively inexpensive lands you can add.
I feel like Sun Titan is way too good to not use here. He recurs all of your little "one and done" guys, as well as your equipments and rocks if/when they get destroyed.
Maybe Dictate of the Twin Gods and Furnace of Rath? They're the definition of double-edged swords, but you can easily capitalize on the effects they give.
Check out edhrec.com for Brion Stoutarm. It's my site of choice. If you haven't housed the site yet, prepare to have your mind blown.
August 12, 2017 12:53 a.m.