Well, how about this: you swap your Searing Spear suggestion with something between the main board and sideboard, and take something else out of the sideboard, and replace it with the Lightning Maulers, and do the same there?

And as for "my deck does well for them meaning their meta is bad", does that mean that everyone with an iota of creativity for their decks automatically has a "bad meta"? Every deck starts somewhere, no matter how good or bad.

Well, how about this: you swap your Searing Spear suggestion with something between the main board and sideboard, and take something else out of the sideboard, and replace it with the Lightning Maulers, and do the same there?

I don't think you understand just how important these two cards are to a Boros aggro deck. There can be no compromise. The mainboard MUST have 4 of each.

And as for "my deck does well for them meaning their meta is bad", does that mean that everyone with an iota of creativity for their decks automatically has a "bad meta"? Every deck starts somewhere, no matter how good or bad.

More often than not they start from ideas that existed in previous seasons. Very rarely does a brew make it to competitive status and I can assure you that Boros Aggro is no brew. It's just straightforward face beating. The only real unique synergy that Boros has is Lightning Mauler and any battalion creature - a powerful synergy that you keep trying to downplay.

Boros Aggro might not be a brew, but it being without Searing Spears and Lightning Maulers is, and a necessary one in a couple of months. What's important now is thinking for the coming year, trying not to waste these next two months sticking to old strategies, and start testing new ones for the upcoming year, so as not to waste crucial moments when rotation does occur.

Boros Aggro might not be a brew, but it being without Searing Spears and Lightning Maulers is, and a necessary one in a couple of months.

If by "brew" you mean "stupid", then I agree.

What's important now is thinking for the coming year, trying not to waste these next two months sticking to old strategies, and start testing new ones for the upcoming year, so as not to waste crucial moments when rotation does occur.

Not only is that incredibly stupid because you're missing a set, but it's impossible because you're missing a set and people who actually want to win (which is a lot of people) are still going to use the whole standard legal arsenal simply because there are essential cards worth using. In this case, those cards would be Lightning Mauler and Searing Spear.

@FormortiisFirst and foremost, your condescending attitude really isn't beneficial. If you claim that Sora20XX is trying to downplay your Searing Spear and Lightning Mauler suggestions, I'd also like you to take a step back and realize that I left a comment in reply to your initial suggestion a few days ago that you haven't even replied to. Additionally, since you mentioned downplaying, let's talk about how you downplay this deck's successes. Your skepticism regarding this deck's victories, and apparently many others on this site is a bit prejudice, and simply unfair. Since the update I posted here, I have also entered a standard tournament with fifty players, using this Boros deck. I won 3 series and lost 2, and placed 15th out of 50 overall. Not a bad start, and with a new block on the horizon, there's only room for improvement.

Now, moving on to what matters... It's hard for me to take suggestions like, "Gideon is just plain bad" seriously. Tell me why he is bad for this deck and why he should be removed, so we can discuss how to make the deck better. Regarding your Searing Spear recommendation, I have four sideboarded, and that's likely where they'll stay. Regarding Lightning Mauler , although you claim it does wonders for enabling Battalion, one thing you have to consider is that another creature (most likely one without haste) must be cast on the same turn to make it useful. Casting Lightning Mauler one turn, and pairing it with another creature the next turn allows for too many mitigating circumstances. So, let's assume I want to cast Lightning Mauler and another creature on the same turn... I'd argue that this, too, is still a far too vulnerable play, as it can only happen on turn three or later, and either creature can be the target of a counter card, Searing Spear , or anything of the like, which effectively negates the strategy. I'd argue that it's not as failproof and synergetic as you claim. If it's failsafes that I'm going for, I'd rather keep Aurelia's Fury in the deck, and prevent them from casting noncreature spells for a turn, then cast my creature spells.

Harbing thank you for your comment on Formortiis. now, taking into consideration what you said in your last comment -1 Aurelia's Fury +1 Boros Charm -1 Assemble the Legion +1 Legion's Initiative -2 Gideon, Champion of Justice +2 Odric, Master Tactician (I realize he is in the side board so I'm saying mainboard him). why Gideon isn't good is because he doesn't do anything to benefit your other creatures which is important for a deck like this, Odric on the other hand does and he's the same mana cost.

Additionally, since you mentioned downplaying, let's talk about how you downplay this deck's successes. Your skepticism regarding this deck's victories, and apparently many others on this site is a bit prejudice, and simply unfair.

It may be unfair, but it's still accurate. If many of these decks can get the records at FNM their creators claim, then I would very much like to know what card shops they play at so that I can get easy prize pool winnings. This includes your deck that loses to my own Boros deck relatively frequently.

I won 3 series and lost 2, and placed 15th out of 50 overall

A 3-2 record just means you can beat chaff which I do all the time. It's nothing to brag about.

and with a new block on the horizon, there's only room for improvement.

This would only be true if a Boros deck with its core composed of block cards were competitive and it's not. Even Boros comprised of the full standard legal arsenal isn't competitive, so the chances of it being competitive next season are still very slim. This is why creating a deck to play next season when the next season's block doesn't have a single spoiler is a monumentally stupid idea.

Regarding your Searing Spear recommendation, I have four sideboarded, and that's likely where they'll stay.

Then you're a moron for running PoS Aurelia's Fury that requires substantial mana investment to do anything relevant over something that can easily do the same job better for significantly less mana like Searing Spear. There's a reason Fury is 4$ now. It's because people realized very early on just how much it really sucks.

although you claim it does wonders for enabling Battalion, one thing you have to consider is that another creature (most likely one without haste) must be cast on the same turn to make it useful. Casting Lightning Mauler one turn, and pairing it with another creature the next turn allows for too many mitigating circumstances

Losing 2 damage on one turn can usually be more than worth it for what most of your battalion creatures do. It by no means allows for mitigating circumstances. The very fact that you say that shows you have no idea just how versatile the card is in Boros.

I'd argue that this, too, is still a far too vulnerable play, as it can only happen on turn three or later

More often than not in this circumstance you've played a 1 and 2 drop that are far more important anyway such as, in my case, a turn 1 Champion of the Parish followed by a turn 2 Precinct Captain .

I'd rather keep Aurelia's Fury in the deck, and prevent them from casting noncreature spells for a turn, then cast my creature spells.

Let me get this straight: You'd rather sacrifice a creature body that can easily come out on turn 2 and stay alive on turn 3 to pair with a Frontline Medic and allow your creatures to alpha strike the hell out of your opponents a turn sooner than normal for a PoS mana sink that is inferior to Searing Spear ?

God the lot of you are all idiots, but that's just what makes it fun.

Let's get one thing strait... I'm neither trying to brag nor claim that my deck is perfect, and I certainly didn't post it up here so that viewers could simply stare in awe. I love suggestions and help, like wwhitegoldd and Sora20XX seem to be willing to give, but your conceited and insulting nature is no help to anyone.

A few more things; Aurelia's Fury and Searing Spear can not be compared, for although the mana cost of Aurelia's Fury can be however high, it offers completely different utility. Its not just a damage dealer. More importantly, your Boros deck and this deck simply can't be compared, because their mechanics and gameplay differ quite drastically. Mana color does not mean a deck will play the same.

It may be unfair, but it's still accurate. If many of these decks can get the records at FNM their creators claim, then I would very much like to know what card shops they play at so that I can get easy prize pool winnings. This includes your deck that loses to my own Boros deck relatively frequently.

And this... this is simply the most childish thing I have read on this site thus far. It's neither fair nor accurate. Lastly, I'd probably offer advice of my own on your Boros deck, but judging by how you responded to the last person to comment on it, I'd wager that trying to help you is simply futile.

A few more things; Aurelia's Fury and Searing Spear can not be compared, for although the mana cost of Aurelia's Fury can be however high, it offers completely different utility. Its not just a damage dealer.

Aggro doesn't care about the other things Aurelia's Fury can be used for. More often than not, the cards that are in the way can be Searing Speared out of the way and it's not like it can counter a non-creature spell on the stack, so casting it in response to a Supreme Verdict is pointless. Let's also not forget that it also provides these useless utilities at 3 mana whereas Searing Spear provides all the utility you need for 1 less while dealing 2 more damage to whatever your intended target is which is far more valuable to you.

More importantly, your Boros deck and this deck simply can't be compared, because their mechanics and gameplay differ quite drastically. Mana color does not mean a deck will play the same.

They're both Boros Aggro decks that run more white than red. They're similar enough.

And this... this is simply the most childish thing I have read on this site thus far. It's neither fair nor accurate.

It most certainly is. Against a real competitive deck, a vast majority of decks on this site would lose spectacularly. The reason I don't bring it up often is because either competitiveness isn't the deck's goal or (more often) the creator is trying the best he or she can to make the deck competitive with the resources available to them.

Lastly, I'd probably offer advice of my own on your Boros deck, but judging by how you responded to the last person to comment on it, I'd wager that trying to help you is simply futile.

He suggested I add more 4 drops to an aggro deck that already runs 7. It also says a lot that the poster created the fantastically bad Tournament Multi Purpose deck AND thinks it's good. Given that can you REALLY say his opinion means anything?

But by all means, give your suggestions. I want to see how bad they are. Really, I do.

You're kidding, right? Aggro does care about everything that Aurelia's Fury can do... particularly tapping creatures and allowing easy damage to an opponent via creatures of my own. Its a very versatile card. Searing Spear most definitely has its place, but it cannot tap an entire row of enemy creatures, it can either remove one or deal damage to a player. The Supreme Verdict example is irrelevant, because Aurelia's Fury is not a counter, and therefore cannot be cast in response to anything. It must be done before another spell is on the stack or that spell will resolve regardless.

Also, I'm going to avoid responding to anything that isn't relevant to this deck, which is what this comment thread should be about. If you'd like to further discuss some of these off-topic subjects, however, we can utilize each other's comment sections on our profiles.

Aggro does care about everything that Aurelia's Fury can do... particularly tapping creatures and allowing easy damage to an opponent via creatures of my own. Its a very versatile card.

Not for 3 mana it doesn't.

Searing Spear most definitely has its place, but it cannot tap an entire row of enemy creatures

For the sake of an aggro deck, neither can Aurelia's Fury. By the time you can "tap an entire row of enemy creatures", you're effectively dead anyway.

You're not casting Aurelia's Fury for 3 mana, though. You're going to cast it for more than that, to tap multiple creatures, or disable spell-casting when against control decks, to make life easier. Using only 3 mana means you're desperate at best. If you're going to have such a condescending and childish attitude towards 90% of the decks on this site, and think they're all crap, then why are you still on here, anyway?

You're not casting Aurelia's Fury for 3 mana, though. You're going to cast it for more than that, to tap multiple creatures, or disable spell-casting when against control decks, to make life easier.

Oh that's cute. You think aggro's actually built to last that long. Even when Fury was spoiled and 30$, it was because people were planning to use it in midrange. It was never an aggro card and never will be due to the fact that it is far too mana intensive for aggro.

If you're going to have such a condescending and childish attitude towards 90% of the decks on this site, and think they're all crap, then why are you still on here, anyway?

More often than not it's because most people on this site are actually trying and, if they refuse to run a card I suggest, it's for a legitimate like budget or they can actually put up a decent argument not to use it. They're also humble enough to know that the person trying to help them is trying to help them and not condescend to them like you're doing.

That's right. You started this, Sora20XX. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

There have been decent arguments not to use these cards, however, and you're just content to ignore them.

If they were actually decent, I would have desisted. I have not because they're really bad arguments. "Prepping the deck for post rotation" and the really bad reasons the OP posted are not good reasons by any means.

Well, as far as Aggro decks not lasting long enough for Aurelia's Fury to see some real use, most creature-based decks would have some 1-drops, otherwise they're just too slow for this argument to be remotely worthwhile. It's also a way to prevent control decks from casting spells designed to stop you from putting important creatures down, which means that it is a lot more useful than Searing Spear, at the cost of 1 more mana. Besides, with the damage output that Aggro decks are supposed to have from its creatures, you can deal with two less damage.

@FormortiisThe same can be said about most of your arguments, though, because instead of backing them up with supporting information you simply throw insults. And saying that "I didn't explain myself because OP's rebuttals are very bad" is probably some of the most backwards logic I've ever heard.

Since you mentioned the word "humble", I think you should humble yourself and realize that ideas that aren't your own can still be viable. You are not the be-all-end-all of Magic: The Gathering, and by the sounds and looks of it, you give yourself far more credit than you actually deserve.

Lastly, every deck at this point should be "prepping for post-rotation", because failing to utilize the new core set and block will put any deck at a huge disadvantage. I've chosen not to invest in any cards that will be obsolete very soon. Instead, I'd recommend looking at the decks you've built and seeing how you can make improvements once M13 and Innistrad are out of type, because that's what every deck will need.

Well, as far as Aggro decks not lasting long enough for Aurelia's Fury to see some real use, most creature-based decks would have some 1-drops, otherwise they're just too slow for this argument to be remotely worthwhile.

I'm not saying all aggro decks need to be composed of one drops. I'm saying all aggro decks should assume their mana curve ends at four except in the case of very special game ending cards which Aurelia's Fury is not (Aurelia herself is, though. I just don't recommend her because she somehow manages to find a way to fall flat every time I use her).

It's also a way to prevent control decks from casting spells designed to stop you from putting important creatures down

If you're casting it on your turn, then it's robbing you of the mana you need to cast said creature. Even midrange doesn't have enough mana to justify this argument if we assume Fury is being cast for 1 (as it would mean a turn 8 Thragtusk). As for casting it during your opponent's turn, it's only really useful in response to a miracle trigger and those are virtually nonexistent nowadays.

Besides, with the damage output that Aggro decks are supposed to have from its creatures, you can deal with two less damage.

As aggro is about the only archetype I play, I can assure you this is not true. I and countless other people have won games solely on the back of Searing Spear's 3 damage reach as oppose to 1 damage. If 1 damage reach were enough to satisfy an aggro deck, Geistflame would see play.

The same can be said about most of your arguments, though, because instead of backing them up with supporting information you simply throw insults. And saying that "I didn't explain myself because OP's rebuttals are very bad" is probably some of the most backwards logic I've ever heard.

It's hard to argue down things that are easier to explain through playtesting. Namely the fact that the "mitigating circumstance" you use to justify not running essential Lightning Maulers is one of the main reasons I can beat your deck so damn often.

Since you mentioned the word "humble", I think you should humble yourself and realize that ideas that aren't your own can still be viable. You are not the be-all-end-all of Magic: The Gathering, and by the sounds and looks of it, you give yourself far more credit than you actually deserve.

My name is Pot. Is your name Kettle? I assume it is because you're black.

Lastly, every deck at this point should be "prepping for post-rotation", because failing to utilize the new core set and block will put any deck at a huge disadvantage. I've chosen not to invest in any cards that will be obsolete very soon. Instead, I'd recommend looking at the decks you've built and seeing how you can make improvements once M13 and Innistrad are out of type, because that's what every deck will need.

I and everyone else are going to laugh when all your carefully made preparations are made obsolete because you made them before Theros which can potentially create entirely new archetypes very easily. The only time when this works is when a deck's core is already comprised entirely of block cards the way Zombies was. You'll also notice that Zombies was the only archetype last season to survive the rotation because of this. "Making" an archetype work for post rotation very commonly just leads to monumental failure.

@Formortiis The real fact of the matter is that I have not invested in cards that will not be playable in standard as of mid-July or September. Let's take the absolute worst case scenario here and say that there's nothing at all in M14 or Thoros that synergizes with this deck... that's okay with me, because the cards that I HAVE invested in will be playable in standard for over a year! The worst that can possibly happen is I dissect this deck and utilize the cards in other decks, but at least I won't be stuck with cards only playable in modern and below, which is a format that I don't really take much interest in. But that's all a gross speculation. Something tells me it won't be that bad for us :). By the way, I'm quite certain you misused that idiom just a bit, haha.

The worst that can possibly happen is I dissect this deck and utilize the cards in other decks, but at least I won't be stuck with cards only playable in modern and below, which is a format that I don't really take much interest in.

Cards that stay in rotation, but lose their usefulness also exist. Just ask Delver of Secrets  ^Flip .

By the way, I'm quite certain you misused that idiom just a bit, haha.

I didn't misuse it. It's just worded in a way that doesn't really make a lot of sense when you actually think about it. You're not the only one who caught that, however.

With the inclusion of Theros, it might be time for a couple of updates. First thing that comes to mind is replacing the 4x Boros Guildgate with 4x Temple of Triumph

what about Purphoros, God of the Forge