Oh, PS one of my oldest decks is Ezuri, Renegade Leader enpc - I try to keep it fairly up to date with the elf meta. I also have The First Sliver on theme with strong commanders who don't necessarily need a loop / I win moment to work towards.

dfbenj: happy to help. I personally run a Tymna/Tana casual beats deck: I'm Still Not Blue if you were after a bit of inspiration. It's not designed to be competitive however there are definitely some changes that could be made to the list to make it stronger (adding some gravepact-like stax effects would defineitely help). I run an infinite combo in there with Nim Deathmantle + Ashnod's Altar and any ETB token making creature, though you could easily nix the Deathmantle. I don't know if this helps for what you're after, but I enjoy playing it.

dfbenjI suggest Tatyova, Benthic Druid, easy to build, I just don't know how you feel about Retreat to Coralhelm + Skyshroud Ranger (and similar cards) combo, you still can with cards like Avenger of Zendikar

enpc: I mean like, for example, when I first saw this list I'm surprised that Omnath, Locus of the Roil is a tier 3 commander because, for my experience, my Omnath deck (focus on elemental and landfall) is no way near tier-3, it's there because Omnath combo with food chain. So decks not goes that direction usually lose to other tier-5 and tier-6 commander

Tatyova, Benthic Druid is better than Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait in a more competitive game since 5CMC is better than 6, but Aesi is better in casual

Either way, Narset, Enlightened Master and Grand Arbiter Augustin IV are more salty commander so ask your pod how they feel about them, people are usually don't mind you build your giantic army but really hate when you mass, even a little, with their things, (I learned that from playing Frozen Aether)

This is helpful inspo! enpc Mine I thinks is a bit toooo equpiment heavy that I wary it's gonna play where like if Tana dies then I roll over. I took inspo from Watering the Plants…. With Blood! [primer], but trying to incorporate more win-cons. I've been drafting it on archidekt so not sure if I can even share it in a comment here right now, haha.

We're pretty good with combos that aren't necessarily infinite like quick synergies where you can do something a couple times but eventually the loop closes within reason. Nonary27

@dfbenj: You're way to focused on the Tier list here... The Tier list doesn't mean anything if nobody is playing the optimal deck with the commander... please read the description... The way you describe your meta (without infinite combos) you can easily win with a high power commander against tier 0-3 commanders. You can win with almost any commander even without an infinite combo, it depends on what you do with your commander. Tier 0-3 are mainly competitive commanders, as they can be used to execute "I win-combos" in any form as quickly and efficiently as possible, regardless of whether they are infinite or not. The question is actually not which commander is OP or strong enough to beat your friend, but what should your deck do and what do you like to play? And once you've found out, we can recommend commander for your strategy. Do you want to play control, tokens, burn, big spells, stax, voltron, mill, storm, gaveyard/reanimation, aritocrats, turns, landfall, tribal, spellslinger... etc ?

Playing as Simic, what combo you think should Protean Hulk find?? Besides how to protect combo? I saw some people use 2 cmc counterspells, but won't they too expensive and you have to wait another turn to use them?

@Nonary27: Just don't. Simic Hulk is just bad... Why you want to play Protean Hulk when you can play Hullbreaker Horror, Consecrated Sphinx, Nezahal, Primal Tide, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Sphinx of the Final Word & Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait etc? But when you really think you want to fill your deck with weird cards to somehow make Hulk work in simic: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/arqrt5/simic_hulk_pile/

And yes, when you want to protect your combo you should run cheap/free counterspells. The cheaper the better. But in simic you shouldn't have mana problems, so you can also protect your stuff with 2 mana spells like Mana Drain/Keep Safe/Counterspell etc. (depending on your deck/format)

My commander is Birthing Pod, I mean Prime Speaker Vannifar, and my plan is to get Hulk, sac it and win

I just read the post, seems that Vannifar Hulk is bad, I will reconsider my strategy, thanks for your help

Just wondering, why are Cazor and Ukkima in separate tiers if they have to be partnered together to be a food chain deck?

@SyrirDarkwood: You don't have to partner them, but you can. There are crazy people out there who only play just one partner. We tried to rate these commanders on their own and if you take the perfect deck for a special partner pairing you can mostly rate the whole deck based on the strongest of these commanders, because you'll most of the time use this commander first and more often. Adding the partner will add additional colors and possibilities. But we try to rate these cards in vacuum. In the Ukkima and Cazur, cEDH version, Cazur is only there, to have the ability to play the green staples, Hermit Druid and especially Food Chain.

I'm super keen on building Obeka and I know that she can be great in casual. However, I'm also curious (and a bit skeptical) about her viability in cEDH. What are the reasons behind her placement in Tier 2? I'd love input from anyone/everyone, just for my own edification :)

It feels like I've only ever run across threads talking about Obeka in a way that might place her in Tier 3/4 at the very highest. And the power of the other Grixis lists on the cEDH Decklist Database seem to outclass her by more than just a margin of one tier (e.g. Inalla, Kess, Malcolm/Vial Smasher).

Don't get me wrong, I would love to brew a cEDH list with her! Unfortunately, I just can't quite see how she warrants a placement as high as Tier 2.

Mikocosm

don't take the tierlist as facts. it's just our best attempt and opinions will differ (a lot sometimes). we feel like Obeka is undervalued and we've seen her perform great. she just get's overshadowed by the more busted Grixis Turbo Naus commanders. That's why almost all of the other Grixis Naus Commanders are ranked above Obeka (except Silas Ren, he's just shitty, but in dimir colors). The archetype is incredibly efficient.

Obeka can play a super efficient Turbo Naus shell and add value by ending endstep shenanigans as well as winning with infinite turns. That gives her another layer that might not make her the best grixis TURBO naus commander, but still a very strong grixis "midrange" naus commander (if you want to call it that...it's not really midrange, though).

Ich-Tekik should be higher. I'm not saying he is good by any means, but he is better than the tier you have him in, he should at least be low-tier. He has partner so can be have a strong partner like Tymna or Armix and with an infinite graveyard artifact recursion loop he can make your golems swing for lethal. He is pretty trash, but he's at least as good as Mirri the Cursed lol

I think they said that the list is evaluate without the partner

@Dam0: Like we already said, we rate commanders on their own abilities. Ich-Tekik, Salvage Splicer tries to do too many things... Golem-, ETB-, artifact- and +1/+1-counter synergies on a green commander is just bad. The best golem synergy cards are also white/red or blue... The green ones are over costed and even worse than Ich-Tekik. But yes, Mirri the Cursed isn't that great either, but she has at least haste + evasion, to play her as a bad black voltron commander.

I'm surprised Hinata, Dawn-Crowned isn't higher, considering how it only needs Ardent Elementalist + Ghostly Flicker to go infinite.

Although I guess Hinata is already pretty high up, looking at how Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain and Muldrotha, the Gravetide are in the same tier.

Sephyrias

Hinata looks great, but that's still a commander reliant 3 card combo that also need an outlet, so basically a 4 card combo.

i don't often comment, and this IS my go-to for my commander tiers now. BUT, i did wish to inform you that surprisingly to me, Light-paws is probably better fitting in Fringe-competitive instead of High Power. The reason being. I have 22 commander decks now, and in my playgroup, and also in 1v1, i've only lost 1 game out of 10 so far... She's just so fast, and able to protect herself from so much and even in a pinch has a few ways to reset easily. I built a deck for cheap, with my only expensive cards being jeweled lotus (for when she gets sent back to the command zone), replenish, Serra's Sanctum (which i bought cheaper years ago), and Nykthos, Shrine to Nix. I'm not writing all this to brag, but rather to suggest that maybe she should be placed one tier higher for people considering picking her. Thanks for the great list.

I'm curious about Nath of the Gilt-Leaf. I don't have nearly enough cEDH experience to question the Competitive placement, but I'd like to know what got him there. I assume he went up through the ranks from the power of a Stax list, but is limited by the presence of better/more versatile commanders that are +. Is that correct?

I didn't see the Gruul precon face commander for Kamigawa. Am I missing it somewhere?

Doom1984

updates take time, if a new commander isn't on the list yet, it's because we haven't had the chance to evaluate yet or it's just still too early to tell