In cEDH there are no or only few viable aggro strategies. On the cEDH Database (https://cedh-decklist-database.com) you will find many of the currently strongest decks in the format. Kaalia is pretty strong right now because of the Razaketh lines.

I am not too crazy with the build listed. I expected using Dragons, Angels, and Demons....but see a deck with handful of creatures incuding 3 - 4 demons....

I understand it's a stax strategy, but I am not too crazy with this approach.

I am now looking into Ashaya, Soul of the Wild with the intent of finishing with Finale of Devastation

Soooo.......Breya is my "highest ranked" option here (only 3 edh decks anyway,) but then somehow i didnt see Kess up there in the 0 tiero hero. Guess I shall STOP making sakashima/smasher and go with the one and only. OH DARN.

I believe your list is missing a few cards: Marrow-Gnawer , Kuon, Ogre Ascendant  ^Flip, Laelia, the Blade Reforged , and Valentin, Dean of the Vein  ^Flip.

It would also be cool to see the Walking Dead cards placed on your tier list.

Thanks man, we'll update the list when we have the time.

I would like to get a few months head start and lobby Tiamat for "Fringe Competitive." LOL

Seriously though,in a deck that's fast in ramp and mana fixing, her tutoring for key dragons can definitely result in a win. Not as consistent as say Scion of the Ur-Dragon but far more potential than The Ur-Dragon .

Any reason why zur is knocked down a tier? Honestly curious as everyone else seems to agree he is still tier 0 and has only gotten stronger.

Also I must saw, your comments on where to place tegrid are a bit off. I run here and I think 3 is fine, however, rushing her out and stripping peoples hands a little at a time gets you a lot more then creatures. You get thier lands, artifacts, enchantments and creatures. Her value relying on your opponents hands I think keeps her from being any here. Still a turn 2 her hurts bad.

As you can see the comments of tergrid are kinda old already. I don't know who "everyone" is, but Esper isn't the best color combination. Grixis are just better colors because of Dockside and Breach. Also the gap between T0 and T1 isn't that big.

Cazur and Ukkima as Top Tier??

Question:

I was looking at your cEDH database and see commanders like Prossh, Skyraider of Kher listed as "oudated" yet a card like Ruric Thar, the Unbowed as "competitive." Yet this list has both as Fringe Competitive. Care to elaborate?

Commander_JAR

• Prossh is outdated, because Korvold Exists now and there he's just the better choice in every way. Also almost no cEDH players play Prossh anymore and I dont think the list is being updated, therefore he is in the outdated section of the DDB. Although Prossh is comp, being the obviously worse choice, makes him fringy.

• Ruric Thar is also competitive. Creature based decks / combos are notoriously hard to interact with and his stax ability really hurts turbo naus / storm decks. The reason he's considered fringy is that Gruul just sucks. It lacks unconditional tutors (Black) or at least some interaction (Blue)

Quote from the description "Decks at this level can compete viably at competitive tables, but either exert some suboptimality that puts them behind other choices or take an angle on the game that might not be as clearly effective as other strategies. Tuned decks in this category are often "suboptimal" commander-choices"

Hope that makes sense to you ^^

@Commander_JAR:

Eisenherz summed it up quite well. Also, outdated decks on the database do not necessarily have to be bad, it often just says that the list has not been revised/updated for a long time.

@jonno.scott:

Yes, the Food Chain Ukkima and Cazur deck is one of the stronger Sultai-Decks in the format

Thanks for explaining, smilodex. Still seems super fragile to me to rely on one card (Food Chain) for a deck to be competitive, but I'm not really a cedh player.

@jonno.scott:

There's also the Hermit Druid combo, as well as Consult/Pact + Thassa's Oracle in it, which is pretty easy to tutor in Sultai colors.

So what makes Kraum so good?

Nintura

4/4 hasty flyer with PARTNER and 2 Color identities thats also a draw engine...

I have been working on a Godo, Bandit Warlord deck and ran into a technicality that basically says Godo's Helm combo does NOT result in infinite creatures attacking, but does result infinite combat steps (Godo is not a Samurai...and only first time attacks result in untaps).

I was wondering if you guys are aware of this technicality because I message a mtg judge who forgot Godo is not a samurai. So as long as you don't run into an infinite wall...you are hitting an exposed opponent with 6 damage on infinite combat steps.

Commander_JAR: You're correct in that while you end up with infinite tokens, you're only attacking with 2 tokens each combat (one from the previosu combat and one from the current combat). This however would mean that your opponent would require 2 creatures with indestructible (or some kind of dynamically increasing toughness), or have 2 3/* creature with first strike to stop this.

While this is very possible, it's not really an issue in cEDH as there aren't many scenarios where you come up against this. If there is a concern though, you can either include something like Impact Tremors in your deck or use cards like Argentum Armor in combination with Brass Squire to suit up one of the clones (works for everything except indestructible).

And unless they have a bunch of big first strikers, next turn you should have an infinite supply of Godos to attack with. Not tom ention that chances are you've knocked the other two opponents out at this point so there's only one player you have to deal with.

enpc I suspected as much. I am thinking of adding Maskwood Nexus

@Eisenherz: I have followed your lists for a while and agree with most of your development of the list and meta. However, I was wondering your thoughts on Paradoxical Outcome . With the list offering many rocks that are positive, and other artifacts that go positive with Urza, or are neutral at worst, I am curious as to why you don't run it. I would also ask your opinion on Commit / Memory .

@anvildust: please use the comment section of the primer for that.

Why is Prossh in high tier while Korvold is in Top Tier? I know the general consensus is that Korvold is better, but I pilot both decks and have had Prossh for years. I run fully optimized lists, with zero budget restraints and I've played Magic since I was a kid in the mid 90's. I don't think the gap between them is much at all, maybe 1/100 difference. Prossh is a solid turn 3 win, consistently now with all the new toys it has gotten recently. Prossh only needs Food Chain to go off generally, where as Korvold will need Food Chain + Squee or another combo.

I also have a Mimeoplasm deck that is Hermit Druid + Thoracle lines - and generally those decks never really even cast the Commander. People see Mimeoplasm and underestimate it from the get go, whereas I'd say it's nearly on par with 4-5 color decks that run the same strat.

I agree, the gap between these commanders isn't big.

The gap between the top tiers is incredibly small and more like a smooth transition. Also Prosh and Mimeoplasm are one of the best commanders in tier 3.

Korvold is hardly played as a food chain deck anymore, currently it is more of a turbo / treasure storm deck. The reason why Korvold is a bit better than Prosh, is because he's a solid value engine in the commandzone and also more or less a 2+ card combo with Dockside Extortionist .

I'm interested in your lists, because I think they could be Tier 2. Send them to me, I have to update the list anyway since Hullbreacher is now banned and with all the new Dungeon cards...

That awkward moment when you realize Godo does not immediately equip Helm of the Host when ETB.

What are some "plan B" strategies people use in case Helm is destroyed before Godo gets to equip it?

I am aware of Panharmonicon and getting Hammer of Nazahn first before Helm or having a Brass Squire ....but again....let's assume the worst. Combos like Twinflame and Dualcaster Mage don't seem fast enough....