I don't play pure competitive matches but those with highly tuned decks (something like semi-competitive). I don't use X-spells in Mizzix except "Fall of the Titans" for combo and "Pull from Tomorrows" for fueled draw. Those cards can be switched. I do play some extra turn spells and rituals, counters, etc. At the moment this is my list https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mizzix-on-fire/, but keep in mind that this is slower version where I use some creature cards for example for my meta (they are not eager to watch me play solitaire all the time). Yes, Rule of Law ...I hate it (when I am not the one playing it XD)

Also, in my opinion, maybe Archelos could be in one tier higher since it is relaying on stax and is in (as some would say) in the best colors (where all the possible combos are present)

I think Mizzix is healthy where she currently is. The main line that she specifically enables is the Firemind's Foresight into a one mana draw spell (like Brainstorm or Whispers of the Muse)/Lightning Bolt, Reset/Reality Spasm/Dramatic Reversal and Reiterate. The issue with the line however is that to actually get the combo working, you either need ot play a bunch of midrange spells (and while Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time help, most of your other midrange spells will still be 4-6 mana) which means that he deck heavily leans on Mizzix and gets shut down if you lose access to her.

And all the other lines in the deck can be run in any other Izzet list, meaning that you can't count them towards Mizzx's competitive level. Additionally, Mizzix encourages you to run more expensive spells in the list which is counterintuitive to cEDH in general.

I think that Fringe competitive is a healthy spot for her given all of the above and so doesn't warrant moving.

Surely Tovolar, Dire Overlord  ^Flip goes on here somewhere.

We'll prob do one more update this year, but we want to wait to see some of the newly spoiled commanders in action.

@Cde0: Sure, thanks for the hint Tovolar, Dire Overlord  ^Flip should be a high power commander, however, he has the potential to become a more competitive commander if WOTC prints better werewolves (with evasion) or other good gruul cards.

I think that's probably an accurate assessment.

I'm so curious, how are Vega and Ranar fringe competitive?

Nice, but I just want to know why Katilda, Dawnhart Prime is mid-power? Doesn't she turn every human into a mana dork? By the way, I think Toxrill, the Corrosive is strong but for 7 mana, that's too high, he also lacks some very powerful combo (and for casual, it will definitely be targeted first)

By the way, why Omnath, Locus of the Roil is Competitive? is there anything make it super strong?

Nonary27: Omnath, Locus of the Roil is both a card advantage source (in landfall effects) and can run either Food Chain lines or Peregrine Drake + Deadeye Navigator to abuse Omnath's ETB infinitely and just end the game.

As for Katilda, Dawnhart Prime, she makes other humans into mana dorks, but running a deck full of elf mana dorks does the same thing. Additionally you have to run huamns to get the effect, so chances are you're running a bunch of 1/2 mana humans so your can ramp with them but the majority of 1/2 mana human cards aren't good in commander. And there's not a huge number of good human token generators (there are some, but not like soldier tokens or saprolings) and at the end of the day there are plenty of other ways you can turn creatures into mana dorks without locking into a tribal strategy. Not to mention if she gets removed, all of your creatures revert back into not being mana dorks.

And then on top of all this, while she can pump your creatures, it a slow process and can't take advantage of untapping cards like Umbral Mantle the same way running a bunch of elf dorks like Priest of Titania can, where you cna actually combo off with them.

Thank you very much, my Omnath, Locus of the Roil deck have trouble to hit eight land, it's easier for Tatyova, Benthic Druid or Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait to start crazy card draw but not that easy for Omnath since it not easy to hit eight land, also it there any good blink in Elemental? I usually just ignore first effect when build around my deck

Only time I win is I successfully hit Nissa, Vital Force -6 ability

Does Mairsil, the Pretender have the potential to go higher?

What are the best combo routes for him? Untap with Aphetto Alchemist or Cinderhaze Wretch? Walking Ballista/Triskelion/Crystalline Crawler/Endling +1/+1 counters?

What kind of card would be needed for him to go up a tier?

Mairsil can also serve as a wanna be Griselbrand by exiling Asmodeus the Archfiend. Might be stronger than assembling and exiling multiple combo pieces.

I honestly feel that Sythis should be higher up than she is. Merciless Eviction isn't played in cEDH, and with how she is built, stax enchantress is a very viable strategy. It just seems like the more viable strategy with decks like Urza out there that essentially do the same thing that Sythis wants to do, but with artifacts. The only thing that makes Urza great is that he taps the artifacts for blue mana and he can do the Golos trick. But Sythis seems more in line with the Stax route and you can get the value off of proper placement. I believe I'm at about an 80% W/L record in cEDH with Sythis.

Also, Jeska should be higher up as partnered with Dargo or Tymna, she is able to be in the top tier commanders.

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There could maybe be update to "competitive", but only time will tell. There are some new lists on the DDB, which look promising and Sythis definitely plays well in the current stax / RoL meta, generating card advantage on the way. I will take a note on that and see, if we agree on upgrading her, once we have seen enough games with her. Your personal win-rate unfortunately can't be used for the evaluation as it's anecdotal and 80% is way too high to be an accurate representation of the decks overall performance –like not even Blue Farm, Najeela or Codie have such incredible winrates.

I also have to strongly disagree on the Urza comparison. Urza is not a dedicated stax commander, but has a mana denial sub-theme. He breaks parity on all of the stax pieces he plays (Orbs, etc.), which is why they see play in Urza lists. Also blue and selesnya play very differently and Urza delivers much more value in the CZ by ramping, providing a huge body for poly-lines, enabling asymmetrical stax pieces and being an infinite mana outlet in the CZ. Sythis ability compares much better to Tatyova. Both trigger on certain ETBs, give you life and draw you cards, which is definitely something you want in a commander.

Anyway, we will reevaluate when preparing the next update. ^^

I just realize that Runo Stromkirk  ^Flip is not in the list

Thank you for the information. However, we haven't forgotten it, but deliberately left it out. Several of the Crimson Vow commanders are not yet on the list, as we have to evaluate their potential first.

Nice, so do you think Runo is in top Middle tier or on the bottom of middle tier, lack green is a big downside, especially no ramp, no Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle, or Koma, Cosmos Serpent, or Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait, Gyruda, Doom of Depths is good but not even close to those three, (personally I think we should get at least one good dimir sea monster in this set)

PS: glad to see my boy/girl Aesi become competitive

@Nonary27: Runo has quite some hoops to jump through, to use him effective. But when you achieve to flip him, I think he's a 'high' mid Tier commander. He only cost 3 mana for a 1/4, is quite decent because he's immune to Pyroclasm/Abrade type effects. Like you already mentioned, the lack of green is a big downside, because the deck is lacking ramp, the green creature topdeck-tutors and all the good green/blue sea creatures.

Aesi is in casual EDH, the better Tatyova. But in cEDH the difference between 5 and 6 mana is huge, since the games don't last as long in battlecruiser. Still, Aesi isn't two ranks below Tatyova.

@Sephyrias: If wizards would print more broken cards like Griselbrand/Asmodeus the Archfiend or Time Vault, Mairsil could reach a higher tier, but currently there are a lot better grixis commanders. Also the deck runs a lot of "bad" cards, which are only good with Mairsil and when you remove/counter Mairsil you're stuck with a lot of mediocre cards in your hand.

@Nonary27: like enpc already mentioned, Omnath can be abused with Food Chain + Squee, the Immortal so cast Omnath infinitely. In casual EDH you can build him as an Elemental tribe-commander or as landfall commander, but in my opinion I wouldn't build him that way, because there are a lot of better choices to build a landfall commander.

@Hydragal: Vega can win with Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal + Thassa's Oracle and Ranar has also some infinte combos to close out the game like: Rest in Peace + Altar of Dementia etc.

My Lathliss, Dragon Queen deck would seriously disagree with being ranked Tier 6.

I can win the game without ever attacking with her based on my combos and synergy that I implement. The hidden backbone behind her isn't the Dragons, it's the enchantments that deal damage, both whenever a Dragon ETB, and whenever lands are used (or not used). As such, I punish by playing, and I punish you whenever you play or don't play.

If I do actually engage in combat, which obviously is the fastest way to win, I can generally knock an opponent put between T3 - T5 and secure the win between T6 - T8.

By focusing all damage on the clearest threat at the table, based on their Commander and color identity, I can stop threats in the future. For example, in my 6 years of experience now in the game, I have never once seen a Marchesa deck win. Ever.

But I've seen Edgar and Oloro win constantly. So if I focus damage on either of them whenever possible, I ensure that player doesn't get the chance to go off. Meanwhile, someone playing something like Marchesa can sit there and do nothing.

Likewise, Omnath, Locus of Rage can end the game out of nowhere. Striking him down by T4 is an absolute must.

In my experience, Naj is hit or miss. Everybody knows she's powerful, and so the table gangs up on her to stop her from going off - and I can exploit this by playing around her.

1/2 of EDH is the deck you build, but the other 1/2 is how you play it ;)

You can take a playset of decks and sit four people down against each other for 10 games and you will likely see one player come out on top more often, because they have better threat assessment and better planning.

TypicalTimmy: If you have a decklist for Lathliss, Dragon Queen then one of the best things to help your argument is to post it in support. But as it stands you're currently talking about using ETB combo loops in mono red (of which there aren't a huge amount) to trigger damage effect with a commander that I'm guessing then doesn't add a huge amount of synergy to said loops (as She's designed for dragon tribal).

Also, can you please provide some kind of line for your deck to knock out (I'm guessing via commander damage) by T3? That's a rather bold claim and while I'm sure the deck is capable of pulling off with an amazing opening hand and no interaction from your opponents, the work 'generally' implies that this happens on a regular basis.

I know my comment might come across as a bit brash, but please understand that lists like this get myriads of people posting that their pet commander should be ranked higher on the is while providing not much actual evidence for the claim. Additionally, they typically talk about all of the pros for their commander while ignoring the glaring issues that the commander has. Please also understand that bumping Lathliss up would be putting her into either high powered or fringe competitive, where you're starting to see a lot more interaction and a much heavier density of combos.

One other thing that's worth pointing out, flexing about how a deck is much better with a skilled player (yes, I understand that I'm heavily paraphrasing here) should not come into the discussion. When comparing decks then of course a more skilled player will get more out of a deck than a new and inexperienced player. But that's not how decks should be compared - the assumption is that all decks are piloted perfectly and so removes one of the variables. I would also avoid dropping experience with the game, as there will always be A) someone who has more than you do, and B) it's not just about how long you've played for - I've met long time players who are still awful at the game. Again, I understand that you're trying to demonstrate that you're not some week two player and so you know what you're talking about, but often the read on comments like this is "You should just trust me - I know what I'm talking about" which hinders your case rather than helping it.

Thank you for the work you've done on this excellent list! For the sake of completion, I just wanted to point out a few commanders that are currently missing: Chandler, Grolnok, the Omnivore, Jerren, Corrupted Bishop  ^Flip, and Toxrill, the Corrosive.

@mistergreen527: Thanks for mentioning, we have now (hopefully) added any missing commanders. But if you had read the description, you would have seen that we left out Toxrill, Eruth and Grolnok on purpose, as we first had to see what place they occupy in the current meta. We discussed again today and agreed on preliminary positions.

@TypicalTimmy I highly doubt you can guarantee win Lathliss, Dragon Queen in Turn 3 - 5, besides you still need card advantage, mono-red is better than mono-white but still lack those things,

for Omnath, Locus of Rage, I have fought that deck several times, first, you get out at turn 4, I assume you run a lot of mana dork, then what about card advantage? besides, making many elementals and have deal 3 damage to any target is decent but not enough goes to tier 4,