Thanks, but I was wondering, why Triton Tactics and not Refocus? And also, what to take out for +1 or +2 Heliod's Pilgrim?
February 27, 2015 2:46 p.m.
Triton Tactics untaps two creatures. It is a great defensive trick that can kill their attackers by surprise and trigger heroics on two creatures for just . And, if their creatures survive, they don't untap during their controllers next untap step. You will still have a good amount of card gain with Defiant Strike and Ordeal of Thassa.
I would drop 2 Stratus Walk, as the 2 additional Heliod's Pilgrim can get one if you need it.
February 27, 2015 2:53 p.m.
So as much as I like your suggestions and think that they are good, here are my opinions. First of all Triton Tactics vs. Refocus, so at first I had considered Triton Tactics as a very good option, even now I think that overall it is a WAY better card then Refocus, but I don't think that's the case for this deck.
-Reason #1-->You said that Triton Tactics provides an untap of two creatures, although, that is not possible if you only have one on the battle field, which is usually the case.
-Reason #2-->You also said that Triton Tactics is great for the double tapping ability... That is, if they survive. With this deck, the creature surviving is almost never the case because unless I'm playing mirror match, nothing in standard gets the size of my creatures.
-Reason #3-->Triton Tactics also gives +0/+3, which is very good, although like I said before, the chances of their creature being bigger than mine is rare.
-Reason #4--> I just like drawing cards and Refocus does that very well.
So, now for the Heliod's Pilgrim debate. This one is simple, Heliod's Pilgrim costs which is too slow in my opinion, that's why I'm only running two.
Okay so there is my opinion.
By the way, as I was writing this, I felt like I was being rude, but just to let you know, I do like you suggestions, I would like to hear more opinions from you. :)
February 27, 2015 3:13 p.m.
You didn't come off as rude at all. You provided your opinions in a very well informed manner. I'll let you know if anything else comes to mind.
Please report back if you get to run the deck at a tournament and share your results. Good luck!
February 27, 2015 4:05 p.m.
So I have taken out Refocus completely after deciding that no matter how I think about it, Valorous Stance is a much better card because of how versatile it is.
February 27, 2015 5:13 p.m.
I like it! I have a deck very similar so I'll just give some food for thought.
Mortal Obstinacy over Erase? Procs heroic and is still relatively effective against whatever enchantments you have to deal with.
Another argument is 1 or 2Lagonna-Band Trailblazer in the sibeboard against heavy burn decks to replace 1 or 2 Favored Hoplite. Now hear me out. Why yes I do 100% agree that Favoreds ability is one of the best heroic abilities. His Toughness early game can shut him down immediately, Wild Slash for example. A one drop burn to kill a one drop creature. A Trailblazer in the sideboard can make sure you safely get creature down turn 1 if the situation calls for it. Again this isn't for every situation so maybe 1 or 2 will be better for the sideboard because spells like Valorous Stance can be problematic using her.
Lastly, Negate. While you provide a sound reason for keeping one in the sideboard, I found that it's usually not worth it over another Stubborn Denial. First off, I find that if I can't proc the ferocious beyond a certain point in the game, I'm likely not going to turn it around. Secondly, during those early turns where I naturally can't proc ferocious, my opponent is having full mana turns, where Denials innate ability will do just fine and I don't have to leave 2 mana open to use it, so I can still have aggressive early turns. Plus of there are situations where you don't have 4 power on board and you desperately need to counter, as long as you have Defiant strike and 2/2 (or a 1/2 w/ a +1/+1 counter) with your Denial you can play it with it's ferocious ability for the same cost as a Negate, without the non creature crutch. Again side boarding negate is perfectly sound, but in my experiences it always felt more blockly in a 2CMC or lower deck.
Either way nice deck and +1.
February 27, 2015 6:51 p.m.
hobbes8calvin says... #9
i like the way this is set up, reminds me of a guy ive played at my usual fnm spot but he runs red/white/blue instead of just white/blue, his gods willing and favoured hopilites blocked all of my big swinggers and buffed his guys, then hu used status walk to sail over me, very hard o beat when he was drawing good. i ended up using rouse the mob and Temur battle rage to trample past his guys im thinking about adding akroan skyguards just cause of his stratus walk.
February 28, 2015 11:18 a.m.
@Bandos so I took the suggestion on Stubborn Denial, because you do have a very good point, but the reason that I'm not sure about Mortal Obstinacy over Erase is because of the fact that although not played much erase hits the gods. Also because erase is an instant where as you have to wait for the attack phase for motal obstinacy. Ex: sulti whip plays Whip of Erebos before combat, I'm going to want to get rid of it as soon as possible... So as for the Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, I would run it cause I agree it is good, although I don't think there are enough preciouse sideboard slots to allow it. So what would you take out for it?
March 1, 2015 12:31 a.m.
Danomite_41 says... #11
Wow! Hero of Iroas is a great card! I might need to make room for him in my deck somehow. With so many Instants and Enchantments, do you ever find yourself hurting for creatures to come out? Or are you drawing enough extra to counteract that? Great deck though! +1 from me :)
March 1, 2015 12:03 p.m.
Yeah Hero of Iroas is great but you mentioned instants, but the ability doesn't affect instants, only enchantments. Right?
March 1, 2015 1:19 p.m.
Yea it's a tough choice as to what you'd take out of the side for a Trailblazer. First thoughts are Devouring Light and a Disdainful Stroke. But I'd play a few rounds that incorporate the sideboard and come to a conclusion that way.
March 1, 2015 9:19 p.m.
JamestheJoo says... #14
Triton tactics can also save your butt earlier gave vs R/w or mono read burn which would otherwise zap you. Personally I run Lagona main board as at least two of and then side in two vs aggro
March 8, 2015 4:15 p.m.
Im curious as to what problems you run into with this deck in Standard? Are the Dromoka's Command really worth splashing green into the deck for. If your going to splash in green- wouldnt Hardened Scales work just as well, if not better than myth realized?
What do you usually sub out vs control? against aggro?
June 18, 2015 2:10 p.m.
Usually I depends on what type of control it is? If it's Esper Dragon: Stubborn Denial, Valorous Stance I might also side in Disdainful Stroke if it is a high CMC control deck. Against this I would sub out Aqueous Form, Dromoka's Command, Monastery Mentor... The unblockable is completely unneeded the Dromoka's Command abilities are completely useless and the Monastery Mentor is just too slow.
Against aggro I usually sub out Battlewise Hoplite for Seeker of the Way and 1 Ordeal of Thassa for 1 Ordeal of Heliod. Depending on the deck I may also side out Gods Willing for Glare of Heresy, Devouring Light.
So about the Hardened scales, I may take up that suggestion I like it, I will move the Myth Realized to sideboard because it is usually only good for control matchups.
June 18, 2015 2:23 p.m.
demonicgrizzly says... #17
hardened scales plus heroic is the bane of my existence and i can't wait for heroic to rotate out of standard.
than's how good heroic and hardened scales is, and the deck is RAMPANT in my local meta.
June 24, 2015 8:34 a.m.
Wow! Really? In my local meta I'm the only one that ever plays cheat decks, eveeyone else just playes abzan, which I find is a difficult match up because of all their kill spells.
June 27, 2015 11:03 p.m.
JustinHangingtree says... #20
Very impressed.
Did extensive playtesting against Bagel Mid-range and found your deck to have a very favorable match up.
Seeing that Bagel Mid-range is 69% of my local meta, I'm glad I have finally found a deck to beat it.
+1
June 27, 2015 11:17 p.m.
Ha! Bagel mid-range! And thanks for the +1 it's much appreciated
June 27, 2015 11:23 p.m.
Thanks a tonne to whoever upvoted! I appreciate it so much you don't even know. Thanks.
Nelstone says... #1
Most U/W Heroic decks that run Heliod's Pilgrim include 3-4, so I would consider running more than 2. Also consider including 1-2 Triton Tactics instead of Refocus. Other than that, looks good! +1 from me.
February 27, 2015 2:38 p.m.