[OGW] Green Esper Dragons

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levimc says... #1

Two Plains lands are sufficient enough.

October 26, 2015 6:45 p.m.

Illusys says... #2

Sorry i havnt' read the other comments, but has anyone suggested using Bring to Light?

October 28, 2015 4:29 a.m.

OminousRex says... #3

You need something to make your dragons more explosive and maybe have some cards that give them synergy for combos. For my dragon deck it was Dragonmaster Outcast and Dragonlord Kolaghan. The haste from Kolaghan gives Dragonmaster's tokens that appear on upkeep haste. I was even considering Flameshadow Conjuring to double-up on all of my dragon plays. Green has plenty of great mechanics to bring to the table. Have you thought of ramping to bring out Ugin, the Spirit Dragon early on? Nissa's Renewal and Explosive Vegetation would do , with the former having a nice lifegain bonus to keep you afloat. Managorger Hydra would be a great early play to take advantage of all of your control spells.

October 28, 2015 12:04 p.m.

OminousRex says... #4

Oops, Flameshadow Conjuring would put my dragons in the graveyard ;)

October 28, 2015 12:50 p.m.

I did see your deck OminousRex, and because of it I did want to try splashing red for Kolaghan, his effect seems powerful mid to late game when opponent is able to play creatures he top decks unless he loses 10 life.But i was considering him more for that control aspect, and not how explosive my dragons could become in turn.

While I do appreciate the suggestions for ramp, this a control shell who uses Dragons as win cons, but that doesn't mean it is some weird mid-range control deck. Dromoka is added just to make it more difficult for control decks and to pad my life. I may remove green altogether if it doesn't work; although Abzan Charm is really tempting as well. That beign said if i added ramp spells i would be taken away counters, and/or removal, and I dont wana do that. I want to stick to a control deck not switch to aggro.

I really do appreciate the suggestions though! It's cool to see the many roads the deck could take and does open up for testing possibilities.

October 28, 2015 12:53 p.m.

Slowgod says... #6

I actually really like this list, have you played much with it yet? I don't think I'd change anything.

October 28, 2015 1:20 p.m.

Honestly, Slowgod, I have not. Only testing I did was on here and just a couple times. I was supposed to get this build to FNM last week but I could not for the life of me get a hold of a couple of Dragonlord Dromokas and Silkwraps. I was also hoping to take it to game day, but unfortunately I was unable to attend, although luckly for me levimc seemed to have done well with my deck list. Not sure if he played this list with the recent addition of green or not.

This week's FNM will be my first time seriously testing the deck after the changes. Will see how it does and see if I should side/remove the walker in exchange of more control/removal/card advantage (Abzan Charm is looking very tasty right now). I do have to say, even though a few people have suggested I remove Gideon, that he is an absolute beast and whether he is in the MB or SB he will stay in the deck hehe.

October 28, 2015 1:53 p.m.

I am starting to wonder if I should try out Ultimate Price. There are a plathera of mono colored creatures being played, and after some quick testing the card is quick and can stop some early damage. Hmm.....

October 28, 2015 6:01 p.m.

OminousRex says... #9

I swear by Ultimate Price and Ruinous Path. They have served me extremely well in my control decks :)

October 28, 2015 6:18 p.m.

OminousRex says... #10

And Horribly Awry is my answer to Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip. Hit the road Jace, and dontcha come back no more, no more, no more, no more ;)

October 28, 2015 6:44 p.m.

OminousRex says... #11

There are few things as satisfying as rendering $400 worth of an opponent's cards useless with 50 cent uncommons.

October 28, 2015 6:56 p.m.

Hehe, yeah it is definitely a great feeling.

I can see already where I can fit Ultimate Price. Really should find a slot for Duress as well.

October 28, 2015 7:05 p.m.

OminousRex says... #13

Duress is a great card but it got squeezed out of my deck because I found after playing it for a while, you need more than 2 copies for it to be consistently effective.

October 28, 2015 7:24 p.m.

levimc says... #14

The_Riddlebox

I don't use any splash of red or green in my pure Dragon Esper Control. Check it out My Own Dragon Esper Control deck.

October 29, 2015 12:33 a.m.

Quick change before FNM. Want to give Narset Transcendent another go so I removed the Crux of Fate from the SB and placed Narset in its place.

October 30, 2015 8:57 p.m.

adbirk says... #16

Sultai Charm in the side for Gaea's Revenge?

October 31, 2015 4:46 p.m.

adbirk

Well I can't say I have seen a single Gaea's Revenge yet, but the other 2 modes on it are pretty relevant. I might think about it. Thanks for the suggestion!

October 31, 2015 6:01 p.m.

rcrimmins says... #19

I'd go Abzan Charm before I'd go Sultai Charm. It's far more useful beyond Gaea's Revenge

November 6, 2015 5:02 p.m.

Yeah, in the earlier update i mentioned I wanted to try to fit them in but wasn't sure if with my manabase it was stable enough to consistently play it. Same doubts would apply to Sultai charm.

November 6, 2015 8:44 p.m.

As for suggestions to take out, I feel you're running too many win cons. If you're Esper Dragons based, the only real planeswalker you need to be running is Ugin. The others don't have real good synergy in your deck. I can see Ob Nixilis in the sideboard, but don't see a real advantage to having Gideon in a control build. He doesn't answer threats and he isn't exactly a finisher, he is in an aggro/midrange build because those have creatures to support him. If this was a Shaheen Soorani esper deck, not a dragons deck, yes the planeswalkers are a must, but not a control dragons deck. It frees up 3 spots in your main for the perfect number of spots you need for your 3 drop slot to fit your curve... Abzan Charm. Boom!

As for the sideboard, here's what I would do:

1x Ob Nixilis Reignited1x Virulent Plague2x Dispel2x Siege Rhino1x Crux of Fate2x Surge of Righteousness1x Sultai Charm2x Duress2x Transgress the Mind1x Disdainful Stroke

Now if your meta sees a lot of Ulamogs, then I'd probably play 1x Infinite Obliteration in place of Ob Nixilis. The key to your sideboard is to be as flexible as you can so that every card has at least 2-3 scenarios it can be used in. Example: Duress isnt only good in the mirror. It's good in virtually all match ups. Also, Sultai Charm is good in all match ups. And so on...but you also want certain deck specific cards that make it mandatory so you just don't get run over by certain decks. Example: Virulent Plague because Esper Tokens and Mono Red tokens and "tokens for days" decks can be an issue for you because you're mostly 1 for 1-ing the opponent. Also, keep in mind, a decent card in the sideboard, if you so choose to utilize it, is Painful Truths and it would come in against any grindy Match ups where card advantage is key.

November 19, 2015 11:10 a.m.

I was actually very tempted to turn this back into what it was in the first draft which was very similar to what Shaheen Soorani ended up running. That being said I LOVE Gideon, he has won a couple of games for me, I hate having to take him out but the longer I looked at my deck the more I thought that was kind of the most necessary cut because as you said too many wincons and not enough protection.

Speaking of Painful Truths, wouldn't Dragonlord's Prerogative serve the same function but a little better in my case? Obviously it is double the mana but that isn't something you obviously cast as soon as you have the mana for it, also instant speed allows me to hold mana open for other things. I also find the "Not being countered" clause may serve good in the mirror. I have found myself countering card advantage and having my own Digs gettings countered late game to deny answers.

You make good points about the sideboard changes as well. I will try them out and see how it works out. Thanks a lot for the suggestions UpperDeckerTaco!

November 19, 2015 11:27 a.m.

Prerogative makes more sense. But maybe only as a 1 of, whereas you would want 2 Truths

November 19, 2015 11:37 a.m.

I was actually going through my deck, and was wondering if I should cut my 4 Digs down to 3, to make space for 1 other counter/removal since I am adding more card advantage.

UpperDeckerTaco

Yeah I was only thinking as a 1 of.

November 19, 2015 12:05 p.m.

Sounds more logical. Go for it

November 19, 2015 2:47 p.m.

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