Bitterblossom is modern? When did this happen??

Modern Lifa

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xzzane says... #1

Jack modeled his list off of mine. Liliana offers a lot of grindy value, and seeks to turn a blossom list into a pure midrange deck as best as possible. I've found a 1 of in the main and 1 in the side to work better though.

November 11, 2015 10 p.m.

Jack-Frost says... #2

Sorry, did I put 2x? I meant 1. I've been using it a lot more recently and I found that I preferred 1 as well. I flipped the second for a Zealous Persecution and put the second in my sideboard for matchups where i'd need it..

November 11, 2015 10:58 p.m.

Lifa says... #3

Jack-Frost and xzzane, I'm trying to build this as a aggro/midrange kind of build. If I was trying to go for a midrange, I would include the Lilliana, as for right now, it's 1) out of my budget, 2) Not what i'm looking for right now. Thanks for the suggestion though! It's something i'll look into if I decide to go the more midrange route in the future.

November 12, 2015 12:56 a.m.

Jack-Frost says... #4

Then how about something closer to xzzane's Raise the Alarm Build?

November 13, 2015 1:06 a.m.

xzzane says... #5

A raise shell is more of an Afro token style build, but I've found blossom to be better in the end. Blossom builds have a very hard time trying to be Afro, so I would recommend just going straight midrange.

November 13, 2015 2:59 p.m.

Lifa says... #6

xzzane, the reason i'm calling it an aggro/midrange is because if I play BB then I can leave my mana up for kill spells, but if I don't have BB and have Lingering Souls and Spectral Procession then I can overwhelm and then drop Intangible Virtue for a win. But BB can aggro out too if I get a Virtue or Lingering to go with it.

November 13, 2015 4:43 p.m.

xzzane says... #7

Tokens doesn't play well as an Aggro deck. What you described is closer to midrange actually.

November 13, 2015 5:06 p.m.

Lifa says... #8

xzzane, exactly. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. Tokens is more of a midrange unless you want to dedicate to going aggro. This is my take on a midrange build that can win out of no where, kinda like how the Faeries deck used to win. Just kinda win out of nowhere. Will i get those games where it's grindy ya, but this deck does good with those too.

November 13, 2015 5:09 p.m.

xzzane says... #9

You said before you wanted this to be an Aggro/midrange deck. Tokens doesn't play as an Aggro deck, and it can't win out of nowhere either. It plays more of a Grindy, inevitable game plan.

November 13, 2015 5:12 p.m.

Lifa says... #10

xzzane Tokens can definitely win out of nowhere. There's been multiple times where I'd have tokens from Lingering Souls out with a Intangible Virtue and I'll swing and play Zealous Persecution and basically fall across the finish line barely.

November 13, 2015 6:51 p.m.

xzzane says... #11

That's not winning out of nowhere. Flashing in Deceiver Exarch and going infinite is winning out of nowhere. Our combat style is much more predictable and straightforward.

November 13, 2015 9:36 p.m.

Lifa says... #12

xzzane I've always considered winning out of nowhere to be winning unexpectedly, sooner than expected. So while yes, Splinter Twin is obviously a win out of nowhere, so could an unexpected win where the opponent isn't expecting it. That's my personal definition at least.

November 14, 2015 12:49 a.m.

xzzane says... #13

A good opponent knows to expect our combat tricks like Zealous Persecution though, so it is rarely out of nowhere though. If you are playing against people that don't know you can flash in Intangible Virtue through Windbrisk Heights, that might catch people off guard, but for the most part, we have a very predictable combat strategy compared to most other decks in modern.

November 14, 2015 12:57 a.m.

Lifa says... #14

xzzane I feel like most decks in modern right now have a pretty predictable combat strategy. The thing that's different about ours is that most other decks save infect or possibly affinity or naya burn, don't boost their creatures with enchantments or at instant speed.

November 14, 2015 1:11 a.m.

xzzane says... #15

Midrange decks can be similar in their rather predicatable combat strategy. If you take a look at the top 10 decks according to ModernNexus though, 7/10 of them are capable of surprising an opponent to some degree, with the exceptions being Merfolk, Abzan, and Jund. Affinity is capable of changing the attack pattern at a moment's notice through Arcbound Ravager, and it can be difficult to judge how fast it will be at times. Burn can occasionally hold burn spells to lull people into a false sense of security and you can easily go from about 10 life to 0 when they had no creatures or just one the turn before. Tron can topdeck an emrakul, Ugin, or O-Stone, and completely change the course of the duel in one play. Infect can easily win out of nowhere. The Twin variants as well have that tendency. Amulet bloom can win out of nowhere from either giving a titan haste or more commonly the Hive Mind combo. We're not called a "fair" deck for no reason.

November 14, 2015 1:17 a.m.

xzzane says... #16

Do you have a budget on improving this? I keep forgetting.

November 15, 2015 8:56 p.m.

Lifa says... #17

xzzane I still don't have the complete list. I'm missing the Gavony Township, Fetid Heath, all 4 Marsh Flats, 3 Bitterblossom, 1 Auriok Champion, 2 Kor Firewalker, and 2 Leyline of Sanctity. As of right now i'm still trying to get these pieces. I'm a high school student who has no one who plays magic in 25 miles around me in any direction. So when I get the extra funds i'll possibly order from online but I pay for a lot of my own stuff so it's far and few between when I can.

By the way i'm going up to 61 cards to include another Dismember as I feel I just want that one last removal spell to take care of their creatures.

November 15, 2015 9:08 p.m. Edited.

xzzane says... #18

Have your ideal list here, and shoot for that. Don't have your actual list here; you should have this be the idealized version of what you want to make.

November 15, 2015 9:18 p.m.

Lifa says... #19

xzzane this is my ideal list. My actual list I don't have posted

November 15, 2015 9:30 p.m.

xzzane says... #20

Do you have a maximum amount you would want your idealized list to be? There are still ways to improve this if you have the money/want this to be as good as possible.

November 15, 2015 9:38 p.m.

Lifa says... #21

xzzane what ways can I improve this? Like honest question not sounding cocky. What can I replace for what to make this better?

November 16, 2015 9:51 a.m.

xzzane says... #22

Starting off with the lands, Caves of Koilos should be taken out for a fetch land. You run far too many colorless producing lands, and you should only have 1 swamp. Gavony Township is not needed, and will only cause you more difficulties with mana and a much more painful land base. 24 lands would be better as well. You should have 4 Inquisition of Kozilek and 3 Thoughtseize; life loss is very relevant in blossom lists. Go for the Throat is unnecessary. Replace them with Liliana of the Veil for maximum value. Sorin, Solemn Visitor is one of the few planes walkers that can turn bad match ups around, so I would go put to 3. Your side can also be improved, but I would have to know your local meta. Unless you are going for a general side for an open environment, in which case I can help improve it that way as well. Any questions?

November 16, 2015 2:10 p.m.

I would run either of the soul sisters on your actual list. Yes, Auriok Champion is much harder to remove, but thats almost $50 you're saving, and you're playing on a budget. $50 can get you 2 Bitterblossom/2 Thoughtseize/playest of Inquisition of Kozilek

December 2, 2015 9:46 p.m.

Lifa says... #24

xzzane I took your suggestions and implemented them. Do you have any idea where I can make room for the third Sorin? I'm already at 61 cards and the only thing I can think to drop would be a Spectral Procession which I'm not sure is the best card to remove. The other option is Zealous Persecution which i'm slightly more inclined but it's good against the affinity and infect match up pre-board and can help me with a win.

December 3, 2015 8:50 p.m.

xzzane says... #25

My suggestion would be to have 1 liliana in the main and another in the side. Zealous can also potentially be moved to the side as well. Additionally you could go down 1 Dismember and consider replacing the final copy with a 1 of Murderous Cut.

December 3, 2015 9:29 p.m.

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