Oh and if you want artifact removal, with this commander and a deck like this Karn, Silver Golem might be a good choice.

gradstudent: Oh, he's 100% going in here :D he's perfect for the deck.

sam171z: Thank you, both for your kind words and your incredibly helpful comments! In order:

I tested Black Market and had mixed feelings, I just don't want to spend 5 mana for a mana source that will only pay off the next turn, despite the high ceiling.

Diabolic Intent is in here already, but it's definitely awesome ;)

Puppeteer Clique is a very neat idea here, I'm honestly irritated I didn't think of it XD

Night Incarnate is intriguing, I'll consider it. I'd almost rather run something like Yahenni's Expertise , though?

Lashwrithe was awesome in this deck's predecessor (a Yahenni list) but I think I'll pass on it here (I have more efficient ways to win than Voltron IMO).

Priest of Forgotten Gods is awesome, but I feel like our Commander generally does the trick better. I'll contemplate :)

I don't think that Karn, Silver Golem fits here necessarily... but what DOES work amazingly (and I can't believe I've never thought of) is Karn, the Great Creator ! That's getting IMMEDIATELY slammed in here :D

Your welcome, although its not a life gain i thought about Wound Reflection , and Pestilence . But looking into life gain, this is a few that came to mind Clearwater Goblet , Accursed Witch  ^Flip, Bloodchief Ascension , and Bontu's Monument . I Hope they might could help with gaining life.

I'm really digging the idea of Contamination as both disruption and color fixing. Though I haven't gotten to trying to make my land base yet, having that would make me more likely to consider utility lands that produce only colorless. It's even super in theme! +1 from me, thanks for the inspiration.

sam171z: Dammit, stop giving me good suggestions, I don't have enough slots XD

firestorms90: Yeah, it's a nice upside actually! Shame to turn off Cabal Coffers and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , but the upside is usually worth it. The only reason I haven't added more utility lands is because Crypt Ghast doesn't work well with them (unless I control Urborg)...

I really need help figuring out two more things to cut, help everyone? I need to add Bloodchief Ascension and Yawgmoth's Will here, but can't figure what they should slot in for.

Well, Mindslicer is a great card, but does it really fit with what this deck is wanting to do? I don't notice (at a glance, anyway), a discard theme, so perhaps it could make room for one of your two above?

Daedalus19876

Okay here are my thoughts.

Cut Bloodghast for Bloodchief Ascension . Ghast may be self-recurring, but you're relying on landfall to bring him back which is not the most efficient recursion method. You have plenty of token producers and some sources of undying, so I doubt you'll miss him.

Cut Necromancy for Yawgmoth's Will . Necromancy is your most expensive recursion spell. It's not as efficient as Reanimate or Animate Dead and has the same cmc as Yawgmoth's Will . Yes, you'll still have to have mana handy to cast spells from your grave, but the value is way greater than the one recursion spell. I think the switch will be worth it.

Have you seen some of the great M 2020 spoilers? There might be a place in your deck for Cavalier of Night , Vilis, Broker of Blood, Blood for Bones , and finally Blightbeetle for some 1/1 counter hate.

Oo, I hadn't thought about it turning off the lands that produce multiple mana; definitely something I'll need to think about. Still, I don't think I even have a Cabal Coffers or Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , and maybe just the one Nykthos chilling in whichever of my decks runs it (whether it stays or gets repurposed for the Lord of the Wastes depends on which deck)... so perhaps I'll forego those lands in my build altogether for the time being, and just have them noted on the maybe board so I can look for them later. Thank you also for pointing out the nonbo of Crypt Ghast and non-swamp utility lands. I'd just added the ghast to my list after looking at your build, but hadn't considered that ramification yet. Definitely something important to keep in mind when I do begin ironing out my land base.

This is why I love talking out deck ideas with other players; not only do I get a glimpse of a different perspective on deck building (which is also why I sometimes enjoy playing with a deck somebody else has built), but I can't always notice every single interaction between cards. A second (or third, fourth, so on) set of eyes looking at a list is super helpful! I've used this site for years, mostly to goldfish deck concepts, but I'm glad I've gotten more active at posting lately. I no longer live with other magic players, so it's been very satisfying to get or give deck advice through here.

Since Blood for Bones doesn't target, can you return the creature you sacrificed?

That card's wording is weird.

bushido_man96: The deck doesn't precisely have a discard theme, but it does work to strip resources from my opponents in an asymmetric fashion. If I can resolve Mindslicer , I will almost always win (because I can rebuild my hand extremely quickly and they cannot).

Abzkaban: I did end up cutting Bloodghast . I'll be honest that I'm suspecting that Necromancy will also eventually come out, possibly for Dread Return .

budlaorf: Vilis is almost certainly finding a home here -- the only real question is whether he is better or worse than Razzledazzle. Apart from him, I'm unsure about Blood for Bones , and probably not including the other two.

firestorms90: Yeah, Contamination is extremely good in mono-black, and is more upside than downside for us, but it does harm us a little. I'm glad I could help! :)

Rambolicious_0: Yes, you could choose to reanimate OR recur the thing you just sacrificed. In a certain sense, it's like a black Cloudshift to reuse an ETB, in many cases (stapled to an additional Raise Dead ).

What's Razzledazzle?

Razaketh, the Foulblooded

Is there a particular reason why you are running Karn, the Great Creator ? Is it just for the artifact stax?

I just put together a new true infinite combo tech for Yawgmoth. All you need is an eldrazi titan like Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and Lion's Eye Diamond / Skirge Familiar . With a blood artist effect in play you can essentially drain everyone to death forever since after you draw your library you can dump them back with LED + titan and repeat ad infinitum. Feel free to check my deck out!

Enral: I mean, it WORKS I suppose, after you get infinite draw, but I just preferred going with the classic Ashnod's Altar / Nim Deathmantle combo after drawing my deck. It's less vulnerable and requires no dead pieces.

What about Using Paradox Engine infinie mana. Is that a good option.

I really like the look of this deck.

I see a nice fast mana package in here and I’m wondering if Mox Diamond has a place.

Also, does this deck play out differently enough from your Hapatra list that you enjoy playing both?

sam171z: I mean, it's never a BAD card in a deck that can draw a lot, but I'm not a huge fan here -- there's not enough artifact-based ramp to make it consistent.

Driemer84: I'd have included Mox Diamond if I had the money for a second copy, lol. And yes, this plays completely differently from Hapatra, they've very distinct decks.

Very cool! Yawgmoth is so broken. Have you considered Bolas's Citadel ? The card is nuts and will allow you to basically play your combo if you use Yawgmoth to draw the lands. +1 from me

Deadpoo111: I considered it, and yeah Yawgmoth is good for clearing the top card! The issue, to be honest, was that I lose so much life activating Yawg's ability that I don't have much left over for casting spells off of Citadel? I'm also not running a lot of the enablers such as Mox Opal , and I have a Citadel deck I'm happy with already.

Pentad Prism , Gemstone Array , and Crystalline Crawler can make proliferating, in essence, cost no mana.

Rambolicious_0: I don't think those fit in this deck (you still need to discard obviously, and I rarely need to proliferate more than a couple times, which doesn't make this setup worth it), BUT this will fit perfectly in my joke-Yawgmoth version that's made only to proliferate as many types of things as possible.

You just want a reason to play Lux Cannon.