hesuskrist says... #2
naysayers gonna nay say, but i really like this deck, it truly looks like a bunch of solid creatures that each provide more than a body to deal with, pretty much every rascal in here is gonna put a real damper on somebodies plans. Unflinching courage has really found a home here. i honestly have no idea what someone means when they say Witchstalker is ok, he is great. Boy skylasher sure does bring the pain to any MUD that sits across from this deck. also, and i know alot of competitive players dont care about this, but i think it deserves mentioning that aside from voice and the shock lands this deck is pretty darn affordable as well as being very consistent and versatile. bravo
January 26, 2014 4:36 a.m.
DodgeNDive says... #3
Thoughtseize x4 hands down, most super versatile card against any decks.
Sin Collector can 2 for 1 control players. At worst, they would counter it.
January 26, 2014 4:56 a.m.
kingkoopa325 says... #4
Love this deck!!! I played it at fnm and got 1st place!! The deck had an answer for all decks I played against. I did struggle going against u/w control because I didn't pull any golgari charms so my creatures fell to a supreme verdict. I personally will add the 4x lotleth trolls removing the 4x soldiers of pantheon and 3x thoughtseize sideboard removing 2x gift of orzhova and 1x putrefy. Anyways great deck had fun playing it!!
January 26, 2014 11:03 a.m.
Update coming tonight, as well as responses to comments.
...plus, I'll have an actual Competitive REL tourney summaryreport for everyone. =) Lots of good, juicy info.
January 26, 2014 7:29 p.m.
SasukeUchiha says... #6
@Nigrescence
You are right that this deck has many faults, like most decks. But in its defence, I faced some incredibly lucky people, while my luck was its usual absolutely horrid self. Next Friday I want my friend to pilot the deck, because a lot of the troubles were more from a couple misplays on my part (since I haven't been playing lately) and the fact that I got screwed by fate and luck into less than good hands, as I never drew certain cards, and always drew others.
January 26, 2014 7:30 p.m.
Nigrescence says... #7
Cool. I look forward to seeing the results posted here by you after it's played by him. Good luck.
January 26, 2014 8:55 p.m.
kmcree - Thank you for clarifying. Now, yes, our matchup against Esper might improve with the addition of Thoughtseize , but it would be at a big cost of making our other matches worse, and it's not worth it. Hero's Downfall takes out planeswalkers, yes, but so do our creatures. The deck unfortunately cannot afford to run early creatures that need black, and it definitely can't afford to run anything requiring double black.
Nigrescence - Few things about Thoughtseize : This deck does not want to be using it. We'd much rather be proactive and bring in relevant threats, and in cases where we bring in removal, the advantage loss of trading one-for-one is made up by the tempo gained from how efficient said removal is. Additionally, Voice of Resurgence absolutely makes or breaks this deck. We're not an aggro deck, we're a tempo deck, and the support is what defines our viable lines of play.
SasukeUchiha - Thank you so much for taking the deck to FNM. :D I'm glad you had fun! It sounds like you're picking up a lot of the subtleties that make Blindside work so well. The thing is, missing two Voice of Resurgence
really, really hurts. It's hard to explain why, exactly, so the best I can recommend is to perhaps proxy in a couple to test with? There's a very noticeable tempo advantage.
hesuskrist - Thank you very much for the kind words! What's awesome is that Voice is currently (relatively) inexpensive, so it's a great time to pick them up. =)
DodgeNDive - The great Reid Duke - possibly the best player in the world when it comes to Thoughtseize
effects - has an amazing article on when and when not to use the card in decks. Blindside is a deck that just can't afford to have it in there - it's too much of a disadvantage, and it's a terrible topdeck. You have a point about Sin Collector
, though! I ran them in an earlier build and had great success; the only reason they're not in here anymore is because the meta is going away from control.
kingkoopa325 - =O! Congratulations on that, that's so awesome to hear! Be careful about removing Soldier of the Pantheon ; he's not impressive at first, but he's a vital one-drop that dodges most of the removal you'll face in midrange or control, and he's really good at gaining life and holding the line against aggro.
January 26, 2014 10:36 p.m.
Nigrescence says... #9
Whatever, dude. Your head is so far up your rear about this stupid deck that it's just kind of sad.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. This deck is pretty much just a bunch of value creatures thrown together with little actual strategy in the deck build. Nothing about this deck would concern me as a player if I were to play against it.
Have fun.
January 27, 2014 2:44 a.m.
Nigrescence - I always appreciate feedback, but I'm confused as to why you're being so particularly rude. =(
I mean, if you honestly feel that it's a stupid deck with nothing concerning about it, then that's totally fine - you're entitled to your opinion, of course. You're in the minority opinion here, but that doesn't make your personal views any less valid.
However, since you don't like the deck, then perhaps you could move on and focus on something else? I would appreciate it very much, since you've now moved from trying to contribute to the conversation to just saying hurtful and unkind things about me.
January 27, 2014 5:49 a.m.
Supanova200 says... #11
He has a valid point though. You're confusing good cards for good strategy.
January 27, 2014 10:30 a.m.
Dragonfish17 says... #12
Valid point or not I wouldn't get pissy over some one being proud of their deck. Especially if they have been winning a lot in actual tournaments. With or without strategy if he beats you he beats you. and I don't see why you have to be mean to somebody for being proud. Note theirs a difference between being proud and being cocky.
January 27, 2014 11:21 a.m.
SilentSpook says... #13
I love the deck, +1'd. I noticed that if you have 2 Selesnya Charm s in your hand, you can play both to pump an opponents creature up to make it's power above 5, you can then exile it. Love the deck, keep going man!
January 27, 2014 11:38 a.m.
Supanova200 says... #14
I'm not condoning his tone, but if you notice his deck list, he also went 4-0 at an FNM with his esper deck, yet his has far less score/comments. Why? Because this deck has so much more advertising in it as the "next best thing" that it disillusions people to what it actually is. And that is a high cost "tempo" junk deck that has some adjustments for the current meta. A solid deck for sure but nothing game changing. And this who "blindside your opponent with Blindside" gimmick is so pitchy it belongs in a commercial.
January 27, 2014 3:40 p.m.
Supanova200 - I understand where you're coming from, but I'd like to clarify something. I'm not confusing "good cards with good strategy." Honestly, neither really matters, as long as the deck wins, you know?
I've made my fair share of intricate, elaborate, complicated decks that all require lots of strategic and mindnumbing decisions... and you know what? They weren't very fun. Having a straight-forward deck like Blindside - value creatures + reliable mana base + flexibility - is a welcome change of pace.
Right now, Standard is primarily defined through decks that either have really poor cards but great synergy (Monoblue Devotion), or decks that pray for Pack Rat
on turn two and win on the back of that (Monoblack, of course). Yes, you have aggro and control and midrange, but there aren't really any decks like Blindside in the current meta. In fact, there haven't been any decks even remotely like Blindside since previous Standard, with Naya Goodstuff... and even then, that was more midrange and less tempo.
The boldest claim that I make about Blindside is that it has no bad matchups, which is true. It doesn't. Additionally, I'm not cocky, I'm proud of the community here for helping make this deck what it is. There's a reason I dedicated an entire update to thanking everyone who's helped this deck get to where it is.
I always welcome feedback, criticism, even disagreements, but I do not welcome open attacks on myself or others - that's all. Nigrescence had been making very interesting comments, even though I didn't agree with them, but by calling the deck "stupid" and saying that it was "sad" and that I "had my head up my own rear", he wasn't contributing anything useful.
SilentSpook - Indeed! There are a lot of interesting plays like that - that's one I'd forgotten about, even. =)
January 27, 2014 8:18 p.m.
musclebeach says... #16
I've played similar builds (currently running r/w devotion) and at first I looked past my opponent until they 0-2'd me. Never again. Still even today my side board ready for this match up this build still gives me a headache. +1 from me.
January 27, 2014 8:46 p.m.
Nigrescence says... #17
"The boldest claim that I make about Blindside is that it has no bad matchups, which is true."
Except that it isn't true. You don't have to lie to be proud of your deck (which, by the way, is perfectly fine).
As far as having fun, that's the whole reason I play, and the way I build my decks. Certainly efficacy plays a role, but I wouldn't play a deck that wouldn't be fun. In fact, my first comment to this deck indicated that I thought it might be fun to play, though I had some reservations about that.
January 27, 2014 9:20 p.m.
Supanova200 says... #18
"there haven't been any decks even remotely like Blindside since previous Standard, with Naya Goodstuff... and even then, that was more midrange and less tempo." Are you kidding me this is basically a modified junk hexproof deck, I see those all over the place. Who are you trying to kid? I appreciate that you're passionate about the deck and I like the modifications you've made against your shop's meta but frankly this is nothing unheard of and I would argue that you should stop trying to sell this deck so hard.
January 27, 2014 11:10 p.m.
musclebeach - Thank you so much! Hopefully, Born of the Gods will give you some nice tricks to allow you to get revenge. :D
Nigrescence - It's easy to call someone a liar, but it's a lot harder to back it up with evidence. I stand by what I said about it not having any bad matchups. Now, prove to me that this deck has a single bad matchup (of any deck not designed specifically to hate it), and I'll rescind my statement. You have my promise on that.I'll define "bad matchup" as any matchup where Blindside loses more than 50% of the time, as tested by equally-skilled pilots, of no less than... hmm... 20 games. Small sample size, but it'll have to do.
Supanova200 - Who are you trying to kid? I understand that you wish you had made a deck that people loved, that pro players had a hand in creating, that hit the top of the charts here on Tappedout, and that is breaking new ground in this current Standard... but, you didn't. Instead of tearing this deck down, you can do what ccharlie9999 did and make an awesome deck of your owwn.
Now, you can either jump on the Blindside train and give useful, constructive feedback, or you can go get ran over by it. Your choice. =)
January 28, 2014 12:34 a.m.
Nigrescence says... #20
There's at least one bad matchup, which is Esper Control.
Pull your head out of your rump.
January 28, 2014 12:39 a.m.
Nigrescence says... #21
Really though, a claim asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. If you really want to assert that this deck has no bad matchup, then you'll need to prove it. Because I already know one deck which is a bad matchup for you, and I'm not even looking further than that because you're already wrong, so it's a waste of time.
But if you want to go on with making claims with no backing, then I'm a millionaire, have never lost a game, and have superpowers. Prove me wrong.
January 28, 2014 12:41 a.m.
commodorecanary says... #22
I would like to pitch in that Monoblack has no bad matchups as of yet, now with Born of the Gods coming out soon, the first few GP's and Open Series will show us if that remains the case. It's not a BAD deck, I just don't think it's a revolutionary deck that's going to shape Standard for a long time to come. It's nifty, but perhaps a bit overhyped.
January 28, 2014 12:44 a.m.
Nigrescence - Prove it. Esper Control is 50/50 preboard, and about 60/40 in Blindside's favor post-board. I have real, actual experience (and results!) playing it against real, actual people; it sounds like to me you're just theorycrafting, unfortunately.
I gave you my terms of what would be considered a bad matchup - they're very fair terms.
I'm literally begging you, seriously, to test it on said terms; what I won't do is just take your self-important, theorycrafting nonsense, because it's going nowhere.
January 28, 2014 12:46 a.m.
commodorecanary - Monoblack doesn't have any bad matchups... except for Blindside. And only barely.
Will Blindside change the meta? The reality is, unless someone here's able to pilot it and break into a major event (or even a daily on Magic Online), it won't. I lack the funds to play it on Magic Online, and there aren't any major events here in Albuquerque any time soon.
This is why I've posted the deck here. I'm trying to spread the word in hopes that someone will catch on and light up Standard. Even if that doesn't happen, though, a lot of people have been having fun playing it and that's honestly good enough for me. =)
January 28, 2014 12:52 a.m.
Supanova200 says... #25
"I always welcome feedback, criticism, even disagreements, but I do not welcome open attacks on myself or others - that's all". Seems somewhat hypocritical now, after you previous comment. If you would take a moment to re-read all my comments, I never "tore the deck down", and the fact that you view me suggesting that this is another solid deck, as "tearing down" is evidence of your own arrogance. The truth is, if I had the money for it I could build an orzhov deck that would put up a solid fight at the minimum against this. And thank you for the "I understand that you wish you had made a deck that people loved, that pro players had a hand in creating, that hit the top of the charts here on Tappedout, and that is breaking new ground in this current Standard... but, you didn't" Because it proves the fact that you are reveling in the attention that you spent days advertising for. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying it - let me know when you hit your next pro-tour.
lol ever heard of Devour Flesh There goes your hexproof play, what do you have left, an erebos? A voice? lmfao give me a break. Revolutionary my ass
Nigrescence says... #1
I'm not so sure. The Voice of Resurgence is a support card, and although it's a great support card, it's not going to make or break a deck like this. Major props to you for testing it out in a real environment at least. Unfortunately its record is about what I would have expected.
January 26, 2014 1:54 a.m.