My sugggestion would be a way to get inf mana without the led mukdrotha gy line

That would mean even more slots that are dedicated to otherwise mostly useless combo pieces, which I'm really not a fan of. What I like about Muldrotha is that it allows me to merge two combo slots (Angel of Glory's Rise and Auriok Salvagers) into one. More combo slots means more bad draws, which will lead to the deck being worse overall, and I really haven't felt the need for a separate infinite mana combo in any of my games. IMO, you shouldn't focus on using Thrasios as an infinite mana outlet if it doesn't otherwise fit into your strategy already. Some people have built this deck with things like Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter or Vizier of Remedies + Devoted Druid as extra infinite combos, but I'm confident that they are not needed.

Sigi: flex slot card I’ve been testing is search for azcanta/ azcanta the sunken ruin. Still on the fence if it’s any good here. Falls into the same category as sylvan library in that it’s bad when we are doing what we intend to (as in turn 2-3 kill) and great when things aren’t going our way. It’s incredible as a draw filter and at finding our interaction. I think it’s worth further testing and I’m interested in your opinion on it. The card is a powerhouse in modern and to a slightly lesser extent in legacy. Think it’s good here?

I'm not a fan of Search in EDH. The Upkeep scry is less useful in 100-card singleton decks, and if I wanted another engine, Dark Confidant would be a better pick as he's much quicker to recoup his own cost and start generating card advantage.

I have a question. Is there any viable substitution for time twister?

I was just rethinking the budget subs I use in my version of this list and had been using Krosan Reclamation as a budget sub for Timetwister. At the same time, I had been trying to fit in a card to enable me to return a card such as Hermit Druid from exile if he were to be say hit by a Swords to Plowshares. I then realized that I had 2 options to bring a card back from exile: Pull from Eternity or Riftsweeper. I preferred the latter as it allowed me to return the card directly to my library rather than needing another recursion spell to bring it from my graveyard to my library (as Pull From Eternity would require).

However, removing Krosan Reclamation removes the ability to begin Memory's Journey loops after binning our entire deck and gaining infinite mana with Muldrotha and LED loops. That's when I realized though that we could still accomplish this with Riftsweeper. We could use Flash of Insight, flashbacked with X = 1 exiling Memory's Journey. Our library is empty so we would see no cards. We could then use Muldrotha's ability to cast a creature from our graveyard to cast Riftsweeper which would shuffle our exiled Memory's Journey into our empty deck. We could draw this with Thrasios and then begin our loops.

To answer your question Landonj5566, Sigi has repeatedly suggested using Krosan Reclamation as a substitution for Timetwister to enable these loops in the past so that would probably be your best bet.

At the same time, I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to how it is better than Riftsweeper which just seems to have more utility to me while still enabling the same loops.

(I probably missed something and will look like an idiot but oh well haha.)

Thanks guys!

Thx for the help Surreality. It makes a lot of sense and I’ll try both. I think you are on to something with the rift sweeper. Thx for the help

Surreality i’m doing the same thing in my deck. I don’t think we need Flash of Insight for it to work though. We can simply flashback Memory’s Journey to exile it then get it back using Riftsweeper. I might be missing something but I already took out Flash of Insight from the deck to free up a slot.

Megalomania Yeah I know, I thought of that too after posting that comment. I will still keep Flash of Insight in the deck for interactional purposes but yeah I agree.

Why does the list not run merchant scroll or Scroll or Eldrich Evolution? The scroll finds flash, removal and protection and Eldrich finds hermit and rec sage. My list does run 3 extra dorks so perhaps this doesn’t have the creatures?

Both of those are a bit too slow for what they do. I don't want to spend 1GG on a creature tutor that can't get Hulk, and I don't to spend 2 mana at sorcery speed to only be able to get Blue instants.

Is Survival of the Fittest too slow for the deck?

With Muldrotha replacing Auriok Salvagers, is Hapless Researcher still needed? I took mine out to have a slot for Riftsweeper.

Hi Sigi

Call me slow but I dont get why Muldrotha merges two combos. I see how you can use Muldrotha to go off on Hermit Druid, but isnt it just one win condition now instead of two? Before you could win off 1. LED and Auriok 2. Hermid Druid 3. Flash Hulk. It seems to me that LED only serves as a win con in the Hermit Druid line now, which means that the deck actually just "lost" one seperate win con. Maybe I am blind.

Furthermore isnt the Hermit Druid more squishy with Muldrotha? It seems like using Angel of Glory's Rise as a line meant that you win if your opponents doesnt counter your Dread Return. Now, you arent really protected by Grand Arbiter?

Sorry if the questions are a bit noobish, but I am trying to understand the swap.

Muldrotha replaces Angel of Glory's Rise and Auriok Salvagers,because she is able to do the same things. Angel revives all humans for a lab man win and salvagers goes infinite with Lion's Eye Diamond. That's both possible with Muldrotha.

Sigi,

Regarding Eldritch Evolution and Merchant Scroll, I used them IN ADDITION to the other tutors. While not as efficient they add redundancy and consistency to the 98. At GP Vegas these two saved me in several matches. For example, I noticed you include green sun's which, if I'm not mistaken, gets typically hermit, rec sage and perhaps sometimes a dork; in that order. Eldritch evolution gets all of those, plus abolisher, illusionist and nomads. Twice I was able to use Eldritch as a sneaky Silence of sorts by fetching abolisher. While slow, it came in clutch against a developed board. Merchant scroll is no less efficient than DT if you're searching for flash, removal or a counter. Perhaps try testing these and let us know if you still prefer to exclude them. Best,

@neolithic

Yeah, but Muldrotha also requires you to run Necromancy and Phantasmal Image so aren't you actually down a slot? And, minor point, but if Muldrotha is exiled or stuck in your hand, or something, you can't do the infinite mana win whereas before you could cast Auriok Salvagers and LED and win that way

For the Non-Infinite Hermit Druid line you don't even need an available land drop if you use Hapless Researcher instead of Cephalid Coliseum.

have you guys tested with Spellseeker she seems like she would like to be in here :3

Slothua, I have and it felt slow. It might work if you prefer to play a bit more control than go for the win early.

Any ETA on the primer update?

Does spellseaker get a spot r with testing?

I know it may be Blasphemy, but Sol Ring feels awful to me in my testing. My 98 is very similar with some minor changes; I don't run ANAG or Cyclonic Rift, and I have kept Auriok Salvagers in.

Mana Crypt costing 0 gives it a lot of value to me, but often playing Sol Ring involves me filtering my colored mana into colorless mana I have no use for.

Mandy Also kept Auriok Salvagers in my list. I’m beginning to think a lot of people did. As for Sol Ring, it sets you up for a T2 bomberman. Other than that, I see why you think it feels a bit useless.

I've heard that Timetwister, while very good, isn't necessarily needed for the deck to function and that it can be replaced by Krosan Reclamation for Memory's Journey/Twister loops.

How exactly does that work? Do you just redraw off Thrasios, then reshuffle off Memory's Journey?

In that case it looks like your "bouncing" between Memory's Journey and Krosan Reclamation, making sure to never exile them via flashback, along with maybe 1 to 2 other cards.

Any explanation would be helpful. Thanks.

simondiamond2012 You just cast Memory's Journey targeting Krosan Reclamation or vice-versa and continue to draw cards and recast them to shuffle whatever you need from your graveyard back.

If you've already milled your library, then yes, you would have to flash back one to get the other back, meaning you can't recycle your entire library.