can you still use the postmortem lunge combo with krosan reclamation? I assume so

Still love this list. However I still feel like it works better with lab man and angels grace, especially lab man. You can get around gravehate so much easier, which was part of what makes this list so good. Sure lab man is a dead card in hand, but it's still a solid win condition.

Just my 2 cents.

IronBlackZepp How does it play around grave hate so much better?

Limejuice. It gets around Graveyard hate better because you can flash in hulk on an opponent's endstep, grabbing hermit druid, lab man, and hapless researcher. Mill your deck, draw, win graveyard free.

On the flip you can run the old ad nauseam/angel's grace combo if you wanted.

Eternal Witness + Winds of Rebuke can dump everyone's deck. I use it a lot.

IronBlackZepp, wonderful play line to win around tormod's crypt, leyline, rest in peace, etc that I've never thought of. thank you

What is the reason you are not using Arbor Elf? Specially if you are playing enchantments like Utopia Sprawl and Freed from the Real. Seems like an auto include to me?

Why not use Lightning Greaves instead of Postmortem Lunge, the boot also allows the combo with deathrite shaman, out of the way for the mana dorks, as still combo with the Cephalid Illusionist, could someone explain to me why not use the Ligjtining wave Graves in place?

Postmortem Lunge is not just there for haste, it can also reanimate something like a Gilded Drake if need be. Furthermore, Lunge can be found with more tutors than Greaves. I haven't really found myself wanting another way to combo with Illusionist so far.

What is your motivation for Survival of the Fittest over Green Sun's Zenith?

I'm thinking of using Conjurer's Bauble instead of timetwister, for financial reasons. What do you think ? I can loop my entire deck in the Bomberman combo.

Giuliano_Dias Thought of doing the same thing but went for Riftsweeper instead. I found its ability to be more relevant than the Bauble and at the same time allows us access to the Memory’s Journey loop.

Hi with the new update, can someone please explain to me the new win cons? I still don’t quite understand and why it’s better than the old update. Please, someone help me.

I'm thinking of using intuiton in the list. What is your opinion of the card? Practically he is a tutor in instant speed, with other interactions with graveyard.

Why not considering Shallow Grave instead of Postmortem Lunge? Is it only an Ad Naus purpose?

Why is Cabal Pit not in the deck? Is there a reason besides no extra space? I want to put it in my list.

Sparkill666 notice how Shallow Grave says top card of your graveyard. I think that's why.

elfric Could you explain your post #14 a bit more? I'm not sure I understand what "soft tutors" and "hard tutors" mean. I think a hard tutor can find any card and a soft tutor has limitations, like only search for instants.

I'm trying to understand what the numbers "8-11" in "1st 3-6-5 -> 8-11" mean. I think 3-6-5 is A-B-C, where C is hard tutors, and the 8-11 is A+C, B+C (3+5=8, 6+5=11). Do I understand correctly?

The point you are making is that there's 8 ways to get the first card of the combo and 11 ways to get the 2nd card of the combo, and that the 5 hard tutors apply to all the primary combos.

hello guys! using this exactly deck for a month now! and loving it but today im wondering some changes, being the most importante

OUT: Bloomtender IN: Incubation Druid

thoughts ?

KAKAHPT That’s what I thought to but the card Incubation Druid only adds one mana. It doesn’t go infinite with Freed from the Real .

Hey I love the list and I know it’s a little outdated but I read the entire primer. I get why you decided to cut out Lab man, but my meta is pretty heavy on the grave hate. I was thinking of putting back in Lab man and Researcher. I know it’s less than optimal but it’s just just so I have a hail Mary of FlashHulk for my Hermit Druid, Lab Man, and my Hapless Researcher when there’s a turn 0 leyline of the void.

I’m having trouble finding what I could cut for those too because everything just seems so perfect, and recommendations?

With active grave hate you could still win, but you need Bloom Tender + freed from the the real. This generates at least infinite green and one blue mana. Cast Thrasios, Triton Hero and draw your deck with the infinite green. You should be able to remove the grave hate with your whole deck in your hand Cyclonic Rift Nature's Claim etc. Afterwards you proceed with Auriok Salvagers and Lion's Eye Diamond for infinite mana of all colors and finish with twister -/ memories journey loops. I think that's the backup plan. Not a piece of cake, but possible.

neolithic Thanks for clarifying that, I still like the idea of a lab man wincon but that makes a lot of sense and I'll test it out in my meta and see how I do using the bloom tender + freed combo before deciding on if i still would like lab man in there or not.

Even if I chose to not add in Lab Man now, do you have any recommendations for what I could cut if I change my mind in the future

@ notorius-B.D.A.W.G

you got that correct. i would not call these numbers correct though. it was a sketch to get a little conversation going but afterwords was shown that there is discord where all the conversations are done.

my point was to talk about something from just another perspective. like every black deck has demonic, imperial and vampiric. if its blue lim dul and mystical are in every list too but does every green deck want sylvan tutor - no. and even if your deck runs sylvan if its a layered deck maybe it just works for one or two layers but not all. so decks where these soft tutors reach the potential to hit any layer or like both sides of a+b they become way better as they increase the live top decks without increasing cardslot for that.

(of course a demonic can allways do other things that these cant but thats the thing - i was looking just from the side of opportunities to go for it)

and the more tutors your deck can use the more opportunities will arise.

cheers

has Sigi or anyone else made a new updated primer?