OrgasmAndTea says... #2
I think I like G/B more than G/W. G/W is good and all, but it just doesn't have as much Glissa, the Traitor. Just for funsies, have you considered Deadly Allure and Lure?
I've seen you're considering Genesis Wave... to be honest I think this is a 'win more' kind of card. You'd need to cast with at least 6 mana to make sure you don't mill the likes of Ezuri etc, and if you wanna be extra safe at least 9 so that you don't bin Wurmcoil Engine. With that amount of mana, you should be winning already, and what else can you get for that amount of mana? Hey, wait a minute... where the heck is Karn Liberated?
February 13, 2012 9:17 a.m.
dorminjake says... #3
We are totally agreed on Genesis Wave. I just haven't bothered to remove it from the maybe board. Lure, etc. seems fun, and it's probably something I'll end up doing for laughs and to catch people off guard.
I'm trying the list without Karn Liberated for a bit, just to see how things go. If I miss him, I'll probably go -1 Glissa to put him back in.
February 13, 2012 11:20 a.m.
dorminjake says... #4
New FNM tournament report posted. This was my third time placing within the top 4 with this deck, and this was the largest tournament I've played it in (44 people, as opposed to, I don't know, 17-24, usually).
It's about time for me to build something new (Turbofog, lolol), but I'm thinking this will continue to be my fall-back deck for as long as it's standard-legal.
February 18, 2012 8:46 p.m.
dorminjake says... #6
Thank you! I want to say I painted the art myself, buuuuut I don't think I can, haha.
February 19, 2012 8:14 p.m.
Knights146 says... #7
Nice deck dude, Never seen someone use a G/B deck before. You make it work, keep it up. +1 from me for sure.
February 19, 2012 10:36 p.m.
theurbanraptor says... #8
im going to try running something similar at my fnm...ill post it once i make it.
February 22, 2012 4:15 p.m.
dorminjake says... #9
@theurbanraptor let us know how you do! I'm using my turbofog deck this week, but this is still my more "serious" tournament deck, so I'd like to hear as much as I can about how it fits in the format post-DKA. I think a lot of people are still experimenting with things.
February 22, 2012 4:37 p.m.
RivaBechtol says... #10
Great deck description! I like how it's going! +1
February 23, 2012 2:29 a.m.
If you are still having issues with board wipes, I suggest Fresh Meat. If you happen to have it, it's great to cast that once your opponent gets field advantage by board wiping your elves.
February 23, 2012 3:04 a.m.
Strangelove says... #12
What about 1x Primordial Hydra or Increasing Savagery as another finisher?
February 23, 2012 1:35 p.m.
dorminjake says... #13
I would LOVE Primordial Hydra if I could cast it with Green Sun's Zenith , but instantly dead 0/0 hydras are a pain to clean off the battlefield. I'll stash it away in the back of my head though, because a singleton hydra could still be really nice to occasionally cast for thousands.
As for Increasing Savagery, I'd definitely include it if I were using Birds of Paradise, just because the birds are my favorite creatures to kill an opponent with. As long as I'm using the Bellowing Tanglewurm intimidate strategy, this does seem like a gnarly card to play. I'll buy a couple of copies and try them out.
Thanks!
February 23, 2012 3:56 p.m.
PoorFredNoonan says... #14
How do you input the pictures in your comments? This intrigues me...
February 24, 2012 7 a.m.
dorminjake says... #15
@PoorFredNoonan a user called Solomon makes these intensely well thought-out decks that use images and fancy layout tricks to make everything look awesome (example: Elvés Accelerati (Mono-Green)). In response for someone asking for it, Solomon provided a link to a website with a bunch of codes for layout manipulation (here: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/basics).
After looking around for a while, I finally found the image code. Scroll most of the way down until you find the heading "IMAGES." The code under "Both of the above examples produce the same output:" is the one that will let you add pictures in comments, descriptions, etc.
That "/path/to/img.jpg" bit can be replaced with any url that links to an image. I used tinypic.com to upload things I edited and link from there. Hope that helps!
February 24, 2012 8:02 a.m.
theurbanraptor says... #17
after playing it, i think im going to play 2x Genesis Wave instead of Primordial Hydra
March 5, 2012 12:13 p.m.
Needs Doubling Chant check out my deck:mgm for the silliness it can do :)
March 7, 2012 11:27 a.m.
dorminjake says... #19
While I'm glad Doubling Chant is a card that exists and is awesome, it really doesn't have a place here. Doubling up on elves and Wurmcoil Engines is nice, but if you have elves and a Wurmcoil Engine in play already, doubling is only going to make your already imminent victory a bit more spectacular.
Also: the deck already has some weaknesses against mass removal. Doubling Chant, appropriately enough, doubles those weaknesses.
What really kills it for me, however, is that I'm running multiple one-off toolbox creatures that I included for their situational usefulness and versatility. Primordial Hydra, Bellowing Tanglewurm, and Acidic Slime, at 1x a piece, are totally indifferent to the card. Also useless for doubling? Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Glissa, the Traitor, and Thrun, the Last Troll . That really only leaves mana dorks and Wurmcoils.
If I get to a point where I felt the deck needs a massive, Timmy-esque sorcery, I'd probably go with Genesis Wave instead, as that also digs out lands and planeswalkers.
March 7, 2012 3:44 p.m.
theurbanraptor says... #20
hey jake, Doubling Chant is a MAY ability, you don't have to do it for each creature, but i do agree that Genesis Wave is better, though it costs a lot more to be effect it.
i've been playing around with this, and I almost am thinking of running solemn, so glissa has more use, or maybe main for ratchet bomb? kill their shit, get it back?
March 7, 2012 4:06 p.m.
dorminjake says... #21
I know Doubling Chant is a may ability. It's still useless if all I have in play are legends and one-offs. If I want additional Wurmcoil Engines for half the mana cost and no risk of thinning my deck of answers, I can always just side in Phyrexian Metamorph.
As for Genesis Wave, if I have enough mana to cast it for a meaningful amount, I'm most likely already winning the game anyway. The first iteration of this deck back in January had both Doubling Chant and the Wave, and neither ever actually won me a game. Instead, they either gummed up my opening draw or they were needlessly demoralizing to an already beaten opponent. That, at least, is my experience with the two sorceries. It should be noted, however, that I -love- them in casual formats, because they're fun as hell, and they are so, so GREEN. I love green.
Now then. Glissa. Main deck, she's a really solid attacker and blocker. She stops titans with impunity on the ground, and when she's got +3/+3 and trample(+deathtouch) or intimidate, you won't find a trickier attacker in the deck. And of course she plays really well with Ezuri and the archdruids. This is enough for me. Her artifact recursion ability is icing, for the occasions when I can benefit from a resurrected Wurmcoil Engine, nothing more. Until sideboard, with all those artifacts (shudders with excitement). I'm okay with waiting until game two or three to turn her into a goddess of artifact-based death and destruction, because I like the fact that this deck is capable of shifting strategies while using the same cards. Keeps your opponent off balance.
I could add more artifacts to the main deck, but I don't feel they're all that necessary with everything else I've got. There are lots of G/B Pod, Rock, Combo type decks floating around that use Glissa for this reason. I just felt like playing a different deck, while still having access to the strategy if my opponent's deck calls for it.
Glad I'm getting some comments today! This is helping me rid my brain of the cobwebs that have accumulated in the mere two or three weeks in which I haven't gotten to play this deck! I've been missing it.
March 7, 2012 5:30 p.m.
theurbanraptor says... #22
yeah, im either playing this or my turbo fog this friday, i guess i'll flip a coin.
March 7, 2012 5:32 p.m.
dorminjake says... #24
Hmm. It's not a bad card. In fact, it may be just what I need for a late game Green Sun's Zenith target. I'm going to play the deck as is tonight because I don't own any Engulfing Slagwurms and I want to see how Primordial Hydra does for me, but I could see the slagwurm taking the hyrdra's place. It's kind of annoying that I can't tutor for the hydra, but I like the trample it gets when it's huge.
I might end up going -1 Wurmcoil Engine to make room for it. I think it's about time I tried a Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger in a Wurmcoil slot as well. Thanks a lot, you've given me something to Ponder over for next week!
March 9, 2012 5:37 p.m.
dorminjake says... #25
I do really wish Engulfing Slagwurm had trample. As is, it actually makes your opponent prefer to block it with a 1/1 rather than a 13/13. It's a pretty exceptional blocker either way though.
dorminjake says... #1
This deck is back to being Green-black. I missed Glissa, the Traitor too much, and she is too, too good when sideboarding in Ratchet Bomb and Tumble Magnet.
The current deck iteration is actually the first time the list has contained 20 elves, so this is actually the first time the deck has -technically- been an elf tribal deck, according to the arbitrary rules of the probably outdated Tribal Wars casual format. This is definitely an elf deck now.
February 13, 2012 1:37 a.m.