filthyc4sual says... #2
Lead is still in the description but not the deck ;)
August 23, 2017 12:02 a.m.
And going with Lords is actually slower than comboing.
ModernStormPlayer996 Just if you didn't know that 2x Devoted Druids and Ezuri, Renegade Leader goes infinite. Pump your elves with Ezuri, Renegade Leader, get mana from Devoted Druids and as they are pumped you can put more -1/-1 counters on them to untap them and pump again and again and again....
This is one way to get solid turn 3 kills. Because if you just wait for turn 4 opponent has window to wipe the board.
August 23, 2017 12:09 a.m.
PickleNutz says... #4
Learn something new every day I suppose, but isn't Ezuri just as likely if not more likely to be removed himself? He can't survive a lightning bolt, can only regenerate other elves, and is still subject to all other removals. I believe at least with lords you can build up to immunity from most burn related removal spells, you also have secondary effects that can create more Elves. It's not an infinite combo though, so it won't be as potent, but if anybody is letting you play Ezuri and start rocking that combo they are going to prepare for it the next time. Then what happens? I've noticed a lot of people get addicted to these infinite combos, but there's a reason you don't ever see them win big tournaments. Pull one key piece out of that combo and the fun is over. How do you stop a 10/1 infect/flying Inkmoth Nexus with a Cranial Plating on turn 4 after they've Galvanic Blasted your Ezuri or countered it, not that they need to. Or on turn 4 when Living End kicks off and wipes your board. I'm literally asking because I am interested in how this deck matches up against some of the meta decks. Based on the way I have timed this deck out, in ideal scenarios on turn 4 you can begin the combo. That's in PERFECT scenarios. Is this something that is routinely happening with the card setup? Also, 8-rack.. I can see this outpacing Tron and you shouldn't have issues with hatebears or lanterns. Cheerios, Grixis Deaths Shadow, Faeries, and Merfolk I think would be rough matchups.
August 23, 2017 12:21 a.m.
filthyc4sual says... #5
GDS is actually a great matchup because Elves makes enough chump blockers that we can just survive and eventually Ezuri them.
August 23, 2017 12:28 a.m.
PickleNutz About Ezuri, Renegade Leader, you play him at same turn you go off and yes its infinite.
Well elfs really can't answer to Living End you just have to kill opponent before it.
Against Affinity you just have to race them down, they have fliers which can be problematic.
But you know Elfs are not tier 1 deck just for these reasons. You just have to ignore those points you said and go to face as you should, if they don't die you probably do.
And damn Affinity is not countering anything.
"Cheerios, Grixis Deaths Shadow, Faeries, and Merfolk I think would be rough matchups."
Well i have never saw Cheerios played so i don't know about that.
Faeries is not a deck in Modern you know... No one play them.
GDS has its reasons to be best deck in Modern.
But idea of Elves is just that you ignore your opponent and just kill them. If they play something in front of you, you can always go for combo kill 2 different way.
August 23, 2017 12:32 a.m.
filthyc4sual says... #7
Merfolk is also an OK matchup, you're usually a bit faster than them. Fae and Cheeri0s aren't that popular anyway.
August 23, 2017 12:33 a.m.
PickleNutz says... #8
I run Mana Leak in my Affinity sideboard, so it's possible. I know it's not super popular, but yeah.
Faeries is a deck in modern, and it's super popular here for some reason.
This is what it looks like
Lands
2 x Creeping Tar Pit
4 x Darkslick Shores
4 x Mutavault
4 x Polluted Delta
4 x Watery Grave
4 x Island
2 x Swamp
Creatures
4 x Snapcaster Mage
4 x Spellstutter Sprite
2 x Vendilion Clique
Spells
4 x Ancestral Vision
4 x Cryptic Command
4 x Fatal Push
4 x Mana Leak
2 x Remand
4 x Spell Snare
4 x Bitterblossom
Sideboard
3 x Collective Brutality
3 x Fulminator Mage
4 x Thoughtseize
2 x Damnation
3 x Surgical Extraction
If you think Faeries isn't a strong deck, you just haven't ran into one. I've seen this deck upset some people several times.
Cheerios has recently started showing up here too, but again that's probably just because people are pulling out ideas and trying to expand on them.
August 23, 2017 12:44 a.m.
Yeah but at all in meta Faeries is not popular deck and that is all that matters.
August 23, 2017 12:59 a.m.
Thanks for all, the feedback everyone! I really appreciate it. I'll update the deck and sideboard soon, and I'll try to playtest my deck against the decks you mentioned it would be weak against!
August 25, 2017 12:29 p.m.
Nettle Sentinel will enable significantly more mana with Heritage Druid
August 28, 2017 12:41 p.m.
Enral N4kk1 PickleNutz filthyc4sual I updated the deck and sideboard. Thoughts?
August 29, 2017 9:41 a.m.
Nitro While it does enable more mana with Heritage Druid the difference is not that much and I found it is much better to reliably have a turn one elf that taps for one mana rather than a turn one Nettle Sentinel. Sure Nettle Sentinel is 2/2 but that is kind of cancelled out by him not untapping unless you play a green spell. In general, I found that it only really helps me when I am in a really good position anyway and probably going to win anyway.
August 29, 2017 9:44 a.m.
Nettle Sentinel Is more for beatdown elves, this kind of more combo/Coco heavy elves don't really need it, i like mana dork more.
Sideboard looks good for me. Melira, Sylvok Outcast Is not very necessary as infect is dead, but if someone on your LGS plays infect or you have faced it otherwise many times i understand keeping it.
In main deck i would not change anything at all.
August 29, 2017 9:53 a.m.
N4kk1 Thanks, just wondering what decks is Spellskite good as a sideboard card against?
August 29, 2017 10 a.m.
ModernStormPlayer996 It protects your combo if you feel like it is necessary to focus more to combo kills, like against affinity or control decks when you wont have much time as opponent will either hit harder back or possibly wipe the board.
Tough i would not feel too bad changing it to something other if you come up with other relevant option.
August 29, 2017 10:13 a.m.
3InchMeatMonster says... #17
you should put in Cloudstone Curio. goes infinite with almost every card in your deck.
August 29, 2017 1:37 p.m.
Force_of_Willb says... #18
have elf decks stopped using Copperhorn Scout to untap their creatures?
With Ezuri being legendary maybe leave him as a 1 of and tutor for with with chord when needed to overrun. Joraga Warcaller would be a fine replacement lord.
How do you prevent running out of gas with limited draw? in the eternal formats they use Glimpse of Nature with Nettle Sentinel + heritage druid to combo out. Modern gives us Beck or Soul of the Harvest (if you can generate to 6 which shouldn't be too hard with Elves)
August 29, 2017 1:40 p.m.
Force_of_Willb 3InchMeatMonster We have talked about these earlier.
First, none of elf decks i have ever seen use Cloudstone Curio, yeah its nice and all but too clunky and slow, check older comments.
Elf decks doesn't need to draw cards, Collected Company is card advantage and elf kills opponent when we have dumped our hand.
Sometimes combo kills comes even faster than we can dump our hand.
August 29, 2017 1:46 p.m.
3InchMeatMonster says... #20
whatever. not gonna read through all those comments. i dont use elves, just googled elf combo.
August 29, 2017 1:54 p.m.
zephramtripp says... #21
It looks like you might have trouble casting Shaman of the Pack reliably. Has that been an issue for you, or do you just mostly Chord or CoCo it in? You might consider Elves of Deep Shadow for better black mana, but I don't know if it really matters.
August 29, 2017 2:34 p.m.
PookandPie says... #22
You should run Rest in Peace in your sideboard. Yixlid Jailer doesn't stop Living End, and only having Scavenging Ooze can be rough considering that, with a good hand, they can have their graveyard out at instant speed on the fourth turn and beyond (they can do it earlier, but it requires an even greater hand lol) and can get rid of your Ooze before you can windmill slam it and activate it after tutoring with Chord. The Rests are basically a wash out against graveyard decks, though.
Stony Silence needs to be in your board. Rec Sage isn't fast enough to stop Affinity, and I don't think you have enough time to Chord your 1 Kataki against that deck as Affinity kills the same turn you do but has access to a complete sweeper against your deck in Whipflare and tend to run Galvanic Blast mainboard. Silence completely shuts it down, and has a nice benefit of messing with Lantern decks too, so I strongly recommend it. Burrenton Forge-Tender would also be a decent option against Whipflare as well, as if it gets cast against you, you will basically lose unless you have the godliest of godhands (double Archdruid out before Affinity draws or can cast Whipflare).
To add those in... I don't like Thragtusk. I don't know what matchups you'd pull that for except Burn, and Firewalker already helps in your red matchups. 1 Red Sage could go, as well. Yixlid Jailer could go for 1 Rest in Peace, though it'd be preferable to run two.
Your mainboard looks good though. Hopefully at some point you can get some Cavern of Souls, because they'll solve most of your problems with casting your creatures.
August 29, 2017 3:03 p.m.
PookandPie I would not run Rest in Peace in Elves for 2 major reasons:
It can't be get with Collected Company or Chord of Calling
They don't need it.
There are no graveyard strategy that would be faster than elves so why then try to stop them if you can just kill them.
Living end with fast start of course can wipe the board and get few dudes out on turn 2-3 but on that early we have still gas left and one Collected Company gets us right back to game.
Same with Stony Silence, elves are just as fast as affinity and one Reclamation Sage can swing whole game around while adding body on the board.
Alright that is my opinion but lets get to facts:
Ross Merriam who is very good Elves player and top 8 Gp recently with Elves played one Rest in Peace and Stony Silence so it is not wrong to play them.
I just feel like they only slow yourself down, but in some cases they can be huge of course.
ModernStormPlayer996 Sorry if i talk too much, this isn't even my deck :D
August 29, 2017 3:22 p.m.
zephramtripp I considered Elves of Deep Shadow but them not producing green is a HUGE drawback that could potentially flat out lose me the game in some scenarios, however, I should try just playing one of them main-deck and see if it helps with fixing.
August 29, 2017 5:39 p.m.
N4kk1 I appreciate all the feedback, don't worry about it. Your feedback is helpful and you seem to know a lot about modern elves. I'll take a look at that deck you mentioned too.
Vixxxx says... #1
PickleNutz Going with Lords isn't so powerful in Modern, because there are so much of removal and boardwipes. Just going for combo kill with 2x Devoted Druid and Ezuri,Renegade Leader (Yes it gives you 1000000/1000000 elfs) or just Devoted Druid+Vizier of Remedies is so much better.
Going for combo allows you to kill opponent with basically one Collected Company most of the time.
Lords are more budget friendly way to go.
August 22, 2017 11:56 p.m.