JKLawson89 says... #2
Harsh Sustenance? Maybe a way to dig for cards Sidisi, Undead Vizier or Read the Bones. I wouldnt play Pacifism main, or Outnumber, I'd go with Roast and Surge of Righteousness or Silkwrap,Alesha, Who Smiles at Death seems a natural choice. Felidar Cub gets rid of Virulent Plague or the blue enchantment that gives your creatures -2-0 or whatever it is Dampening Pulse, for you and is recurrable with Alesha, Who Smiles at Death, you can always sac before damage.
October 22, 2015 11:51 a.m.
michael921 says... #3
I swapped the life lands for the painlands so that my deck would speed up a little, and I like the Foul-Tongue Shriek, I'm just not sure where I have room for it. and JKLawson89, I'm definitally considering the Harsh Sustenance, but the Outnumber cost so much less and I'm really trying to keep the curve low in this deck. I would love if Zacoly and JKLawson89 could help me develop a good sideboard.
Thank you!
October 22, 2015 11:31 p.m.
JKLawson89 says... #4
So basically your deck wins by casting low cmc creatures with higher power but low toughness, swarm the board and try to get Mardu Ascendancy on the board to just go super wide. With all that said your weaknesses are if you fight a deck full of big stompy things, things with high toughness, or sweepers it doesnt get to do its job. So, uour sideboard should tailor to those weaknesses, Magmatic Chasm gets your guys in, Roast kills mostly everything besides flying creatures obviously, but theres not a ton running around, Transgress the Mind no idea why people don't sideboard it, usually it lets you take mostly every big card control has against you and it exiles with pesky Den Protector and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip around seems logical, enchantments arent huge right now, but red and black have a history of having a hard time getting rid of them, so if you think your meta shifts in favor of Enchantments, I think you dip into white for Felidar Cub is a great card in that respect, Erase is fine also, but doesn't have a body to swing or block with. Radiant Purge seems like a fine choice if your meta is full of Ascendancy of any kind decks with Siege Rhino, but really Suspension Field seems the better choice, you can always split between Silkwrap and Suspension Field too, or you could try to do all those things like the Abzan decks do and use Utter End seems criminal its not played a lot. So theres some suggestions from me, sideboard building I think you have to tune what works best for what you vs the most and your play style, I'm more of a Deflecting Palm guy, but a lot of people are Murderous Cut people, so it depends on the person.Goodluck!
October 23, 2015 7:08 a.m.
Mandalorian says... #5
You kind of have a sub theme of warriors here. I don't know if that's on purpose or if those are just the aggressive cards you chose but if it was on purpose then these are pretty good for that.
Wingmate Roc is surprisingly good in these types of decks that really benefit from attacking each turn. Imagine having 2 creatures, and Wingmate Roc w/token and Mardu Ascendancy. Upon attacking you would get 3 goblin tokens attacking with them gaining 7 life. Its really easy for decks like these to turn on Raid.
Im not a huge fan of Outnumber because if you fall behind its not gonna help you catch up. Also you seem to run 0 creatures that are naturally ferocious to take advantage of Temur Battle Rage. I think I would prefer more reliable removal instead of combat tricks. Ultimate Price?
October 23, 2015 11:33 a.m.
amazingdan says... #6
I like this deck, it seems very similar to my old deck. I disagree with Wingmate Roc, at turn five you should be trying to get a win that turn or the turn after. I don't disagree that it's a good card, but I feel like it's more suited to a midrange deck. You could side it in for games that go long(control). I see you're already running 3 Brutal Hordechiefs, which is much better suited to an aggro deck, and if it lives to you activating its ability, you basically win.
October 23, 2015 12:58 p.m.
Butcher of the Horde? It would be good in a situation when the opponent needs a good punch in the face for removing your Brutal Hordechief.
It would probably be best in the sideboard.
October 23, 2015 4:13 p.m.
michael921 says... #8
Mandalorian, I had considered the Wingmate Roc, but decided against it because it's more of a midrange card than this hyper agressive build that i'm trying to make. Also the warrior theme was unintentional.
JKLawson89, thank you for the help on the sideboard! I think its a bit better now, and i'm not sure exactly what the meta is shaping out to be, whether gold or mono colored cards reign supreme. Also how does ultimate price work with devoid cards?
I have a bunch of cards that i'm considering like Scab-Clan Berserker in the maybe board and Trumpet Blast and wanted your opinion on many of the cards in the maybe board.The more I tinker with this deck, the more I'm shying away from red...I'm now considering turning this deck into a BW warrior deck that splashes red for the ascendancy and the crackling doom. Any thoughts?
October 24, 2015 12:07 p.m.
JKLawson89 says... #9
Ultimate Price hits mono colored creature of any color. Salvage Drone has a blue identity, but its Devoid mechanic changes the stipulation and Ultimate price cannot target it, as it has no color frpm Devoid.
October 24, 2015 12:10 p.m.
michael921 says... #10
JKLawson89, that's what i was thinking, but i wanted to check. Whats your opinion on the cards in the maybeboard?
October 24, 2015 12:14 p.m.
JKLawson89 says... #11
You could turn it into BW wariors easily and splash red, you can always do that by simply running four Nomad Outpost as you arent that worried abiut pulling a red source, even id you hit the ascendancy later in the game in a straight forward aggro deck its fine as it just starts making you go wider. Red is more suited to aggro paired with Black but some of the cards right now get expensive like Monastery Swiftspear, Abbot of Keral Keep, Zurgo Bellstriker, etc. You can go budget easy and play impactfulcards like Bloodsoaked Champion, Dragon Hunter, Chief of the Edge, Blood-Chin Rager, Blood-Chin Fanatic, Mardu Strike Leader, Arashin Foremost, Brutal Hordechief, etc. Scab-Clan Berserker is a Grull inspired card, which hates control, so natural place for that card is vs Control so you can pit early pressure on via combat and punish them via Renown for the late to mid game if they start catching up.
October 24, 2015 12:22 p.m.
michael921 says... #12
JKLawson89Turning the deck more into a BW warriors theme definitely made it a stronger deck, and more my play style. The red splash that i currently have is totally viable and the games i've tested i have had no problem playing them. I'm not sure how much control hate I need in the side board, and weather Scab-Clan Berserker or Alesha, Who Smiles at Death against control or slower decks.
In addition, I'm not sure how heavy warriors i want to go, as the deck synergy is supposed to be with the ascendency :P But also that the deck is aggressive enough without the additional support thanks to drana.
October 24, 2015 6:09 p.m.
JKLawson89 says... #13
The deck synergizes with ascendancy as long as you are swinging with non token creatures, probably with low toughness, as ascendancy is a good anti sweeper too.
October 24, 2015 7:08 p.m.
michael921 says... #14
JKLawson89 Alright cool. Any comments on tweaking mainboard or sideboard?
October 24, 2015 7:25 p.m.
Mclovin8617 says... #15
I'd suggest you play test against an imaginary opponent who can drop a Siege Rhino on turn 4. Your deck needs to win by turn 3 or 4, via either removing the Siege Rhino with Suspension Field or Crackling Doom or just ignoring the Rhino and swinging in with Foul-Tongue Shriek. Once that Siege Rhino starts blocking and combined with the life-gain Abzan decks will regain control REALLY fast so see if your deck can pull off a turn 4 win consistently. If not you might just need more evasion/burn to finish them off.
Overall nice deck! +1
October 24, 2015 9:39 p.m.
JKLawson89 says... #16
Listen Siege Rhino is just one card, you can ho super wide with this, not every deck is playing Siege Rhino, the decks that are playing it are midrangey decks that play one spell a turn or control strategies. Thats why you have a sideboard, Suspension Field makes Rhino go bye bye, if they play that 32 Rhino crap, play Infinite Obliteration, or get tid of Jace if you see him, Despise catches it early, Transgress the Mind does too (Rhino). I would take Alesha out of the side, Utter End is a lot better, Surge of Righteousness hits so many cards being played right now. You have to play with your deck so you can tweak it to what you like, there are cards that are flexible and are good for a lot of decks, but you might not like how it runs, like I love playing green, but I hated how Woodland Bellower played for me, its a great card, just not for me.
October 24, 2015 11:50 p.m.
Mclovin8617 says... #17
Fair enough. Just using Siege Rhino as an example. My point is test it against the "Tier 1" (hahaha) Standard decks, because you'll be sure to see those at FNM or a PTQ.
October 25, 2015 12:13 a.m.
So what about Drana, Liberator of Malakir says budget? Also Murderous Cut or Utter End for Ultimate Price . Utter End is super cheap, like 75 cent a piece if I am not mistaken. Mardu Woe-Reaper is super good against decks with graveyard manipulation Kolaghan's Command Ojutai's Command Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip ect. I would run that instead of Dragon Hunter and move the dragon hunters to the side if you feel like you still need them. Also bump the lands up to 23, take out the Despise, and try to bump your creature base to 24-28. Mardu Charm is a good cut, I would actually take out everything except 4 Crackling Doom and 4 Foul-Tongue Shriek for the instants and sorceries.
October 25, 2015 1:32 a.m.
ModelOmega says... #19
First off if you're going to run Mardu Ascendancy and Bloodsoaked Champion I'd run a full playset along with at least a couple Butcher of the Horde, with all the token's you're generating it's too good to pass on, having a 5/4 with effectively Flying, Vigilance, Lifelink and Haste is great, and Butcher shouldn't be too hard to get.
Ascendancy also protects against the inevitable side of Radiant Flames. Seriously getting your board wiped by this SUCKS. Don't let it happen.
Second, Mardu Charm is doing way too much, killing creatures is better with Crackling Doom, generating tokens is better with Secure the Wastes and hand disposal is better with Duress or Despise, I'd identify what you need most of and drop the charms for what you want.
Third I don't think Kytheon is a good fit, if you REALLY want a planeswalker then I'd save up for Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, otherwise I feel you'd be better off with say, Chief of the Edge.
Lastly you really want Roast at least side boarded, you're going to run into Siege Rhino and Roast is tailor made for killing it dead.
October 25, 2015 1:51 a.m.
Mclovin8617 says... #20
I was wondering about Kytheon too. Doesn't seem to fit.
October 25, 2015 10:50 a.m.
michael921 says... #21
mack10k... First, While Drana, Liberator of Malakir is not a budget card, it clearly states in the description that I wanted to build a deck around her. Second, I don't have enough cards hitting the grave to make Murderous Cut cheap enough, and Utter End would be more of a side board card, as its high on the curve for this deck. However, I do agree with the Mardu Woe-Reaper, in its power. I was also thinking about cutting the charm, but I fail to see why the land base needs to be upped and the Despise to be cut. With no landfall triggers, and no card costing more than four, I dont see the need for more than 20 land.
ModelOmega, I'm definitally going to be replacing the charm with Roast or a similar effect, as it was under performing in play testing. Also the token producing of Secure the Wastes is not really relevant in this deck as I often times only have four or five mana.
My reasoning behind kytheon is that he's a 2/1 for 1, which is fine aggressive rate, and when he flips he smashes in as a 4/4, which often time closes the game.
Some midrange/ control hate I was thinking about was Scab-Clan Berserker and Duress and Alesha, Who Smiles at Death. How are these cards aginst midrange/ control and what should i sideboard them over?
October 25, 2015 12:10 p.m.
Because curving out 3 colors without fetches is hard to do with 20 lands.
October 25, 2015 3:06 p.m.
michael921 says... #23
mack10k Have you actually play tested or tried sample hands of this deck? Because almost all of the tests I've run have had no curving issues.
October 25, 2015 6:06 p.m.
Yup, and it was terrible. Hard to hit those first turn 1 drops, double white shouldn't even be an option in this deck with these lands. And trying to cast a Mardu Ascendancy 3rd or 4th turn was like a unicorn.
October 25, 2015 6:28 p.m.
michael921 says... #25
mack10k we must be playing different decks. I just did 10 tests. Three of them the deck bricked and couldn't kill the opponent by turn 7. five of the times it did. the remaining two killed the opponent by turn four or five. I also got all three colors on turn three 3 times, with one having all four on turn 4. In addition, I only saw the ascendency three times anyways. Finally, I hit a turn one one drop four times. And these numbers are with me assuming that the opponent has a one, a two, a three, and a four drop.
Zacoly says... #1
If this were my deck I would keep the Drana, Liberator of Malakir + Mardu Ascendancy
But the rest of the deck I would fill with aggro, like Bloodsoaked Champion and Mardu Shadowspear and Thornbow Archer All of these guys swing for 2, but only cost 1 to cast. All of these guys would trigger Mardu Ascendancy the turn you play it! And if you're looking to finish off an opponent before they can enter the mid-game add in Foul-Tongue Shriek This thing can do crazy amounts of damage (and healing) for very little mana.
That's the kind of deck I would work towards if I were in your shoes.
Good luck!
October 21, 2015 10:32 p.m.