Budget WU - The $20 Hero of KTK Standard
Standard
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Jimbobslow says... #2
Hey guys, I'm very new to the whole building and improving your own deck thing, any tips or pointers as to where this could be improved, for instance, do i get rid of 2 of each plains and island for the fetchlands? Then furthermore would i remove another set for the temples?
October 16, 2014 9:55 a.m.
Myogenesis says... #3
this can be used to improve the deck (ie. using the original deck)
October 16, 2014 11:30 a.m.
Ancient_Sentinel says... #4
Hi jimbobslow; Basically, you would remove 2 Islands and 2 Plains for 4 Fetchlands, then Remove the 4x Tranquil Cove for 4x Temple of Enlightenment . What you want to do is remove the parts of this deck that are less efficient than their counterpart. Cove enters tapped, so does the Temple. The basics enter untapped, the fetchlands find basics that enter untapped. In each scenario, you keep the same deck speed as you always would, but the "rigged" draws from scrying through the temples and the consistency of basics is really worth it if you can pay for it. Other improvements could include using a couple (maybe 2-3) Soldier of the Pantheon , and maybe 1-2 Banishing Light for sideboard. I plan on building this deck for Khans Game Day, and I am also running 2x Fabled Hero , who I am a big fan of. (that quote though!) However, deckbuilding is often just finding the cards that work best for you, fit your playstyle, or help move the deck in the direction you want it go. Keep testing, keep improving, and remember to have fun!
October 16, 2014 11:35 a.m.
@dereviman1190 i cut 2x eidolion of great battles, 1 defiant strike and 1 seeker of the way and added 2 fabled hero and 2 feat of resistance. deck works great with those changes!!!!
October 16, 2014 9 p.m.
EvilKidsMeal says... #7
TolarianCommunityCollege I feel as if Abzan Falconer would be a great choice over Seeker of the Way or maybe just in the side board. I feel like the two Stratus Walk 's may not be enough when it comes to other decks with flying. Also Abzan Falconer is dirt cheap! Not sure if you reply to these or not, but it would be amazing if you did, love your videos, keep doing what youre doing!
October 17, 2014 1:01 a.m.
Does anyone have any advice when playing this or a similar loadout against blue-black control? I just get obliterated by them.
October 17, 2014 1:03 a.m.
EvilKidsMeal says... #9
@Kazasu Wait to cast any creatures untill you have Gods Willing in your hand and enough mana. So cast your creature, let them try to remove it, then cast Gods willing to stop it, and chip damage them till they die, or just wait till you have another gods willing to do anything
October 17, 2014 1:16 a.m.
Ancient_Sentinel says... #10
Hi Kazasu, just played a BlueBlack Control earlier today. Basically, you want to make sure that you play the cheap dudes (Favored Hoplite and Seeker of the Way ) and try to force your opponents to use up removal before using the "more valuable" guys Battlewise Hoplite and Fabled Hero . Save up the Ajani's Presence (my sideboard has 1 more, which I sided in against Hero's Downfall ) and Gods Willing to sidestep removal. ALWAYS leave mana up to at least make them think you have something, and make them more cautious. Getting in extra damage is always good. Their Sphinxes weren't a big issue for me, as 3 dmg per turn isn't really that fast. Overall, a decent matchup for us. I went 2-1 :)
October 17, 2014 1:20 a.m.
Thank you EvilKidsMeal and Ancient_Sentinel. I try to wait until I can play more threats than they can counter while still having mana for a Gods Willing . Unfortunately, things tend to come to a point where I feel that I'm racing against a clock if they get out an Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver , combine this with a well timed Despise / Thoughtseize and my hand/library is being torn figurative limb from figurative limb. The meta I'm playing with is rather heavy on blue black control, and I'm curious as to whether you have any suggestions on something I could sideboard in to help with this.
If I can get out a creature or two and have them stick for a turn or two, I end up being able to grab an easy win. Otherwise, the win tends to go the other direction.
Thanks again!
(I may just be revamping the deck or building a new one to target the nearby meta, but I rather enjoy this deck.)
October 17, 2014 1:30 a.m.
Okay! So, thank you again, EvilKidsMeal and Ancient_Sentinel. The advice given has won me a good few games and helped sort out what would have otherwise been mild irritation.
October 17, 2014 10:58 p.m.
Ancient_Sentinel says... #13
No problem :). Glad it helped. Btw, Negate in the sideboard also helps A TON vs any control deck, and even Jeskai Combo.
October 17, 2014 11:44 p.m.
Hey Ancient_Sentinel, how many Fabled Hero are you running and what do you take out? I'm trying 3 Heroes, and I took out two Eidolons and one Seeker but haven't even tested yet.
October 18, 2014 10:55 a.m.
Ancient_Sentinel says... #16
@ytorrey I got rid of Erase
in sideboard for Revoke Existence
so that it could target artifacts too. Great against Bots in the current meta. I also took out 1x Hero of Iroas
and 1x Eidolon of Countless Battles
for 2x Fabled Hero
. I even brought Defiant Strike
down to a 3-of to get a 1x Ordeal of Heliod
, since I feel like although KTK Standard has slowed down a bit, Rabblemaster is still a big issue (whats new, whats new?). The lifegain from Seeker and from the singleton Ordeal help us get past the early beats, and the Singing Bell Strike
s of course can deal with Rabble mid to late-game.
@Scorprix The question is not "Should I use Reprisal
in the sideboard?" but instead "Should I use Reprisal
or Pillar of Light
in the sideboard?" I would answer... "Great question; I've been pondering this myself!" Now, to the point. Although Reprisal
has great art and decent value, the key is that it is 4+ POWER, as opposed to 4+ TOUGHNESS. Let's think about key threats that we would want to utilize these spells to eliminate. Siege Rhino
: Both work well. Since Reprisal is less mana we can say Reprisal scores this one. R:1 PoL:0 How about Prognostic Sphinx
? Since only Pillar of Light
can kill it/remove it, the score is now tied up, R:1 PoL:1. Brimaz, King of Oreskos
? R:1 PoL:2. Goblin Rabblemaster
? Sometimes, Reprisal
can do the trick. But not always, so R:1.5 PoL:2. Wingmate Roc
? R:1.5 PoL:3. Butcher of the Horde
? Again, Reprisal
is cheaper, so a better option. R:2.5 PoL:3. Courser of Kruphix
? R:2.5 PoL:4. Ashcloud Phoenix
? Reprisal kills it.. but wait. KILL, not EXILE is an issue here. The Phoenix will continue to come back, so I would say 0.5 points here. R:3 PoL:4 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
dressed up as a dragon for Halloween? Indestructible doesn't matter when he's being EXILED. Final score; Reprisal
:3 Pillar of Light
:5. Conclusion: These are both sideboard cards, so use whichever one fits your local meta better. If you are going headfirst into a meta you have no idea about (like Me) then I would say start out with Pillar of Light
first. Although it is one turn slower, it kills more of the threats, and reach and versatility is what you want in a removal spell.
October 18, 2014 12:45 p.m.
have you considered Abzan Falconer or Abzan Battle Priest ? My brother (who's playing Rabble) lost to a topdecked Battle Priest last night and I wondered if that would be better than the Hopeful Eidolon ...
October 18, 2014 12:53 p.m.
Ancient_Sentinel says... #19
@ytorrey I have tried a singleton Abzan Falconer to some level of success, but have not yet used Abzan Battle Priest yet. My guess just from using it at KTK PreRelease would be that it is too slow for this deck as a 4CMC card, but it might be decent. As my Mother's Father's Grandson once said "It it works, use it. If it doesn't, don't." The one thing about Hopeful Eidolon is that 1) When you bestow it and your dude dies to removal or something, you still have a body with lifelink to power up and continue the beats. 2) In reality, it costs about 3 mana as a Bestow because of Hero of Iroas . But yeah; not quite sure yet.
October 18, 2014 1:02 p.m.
Negate sideboard or distainful stroke so you don't get cock blocked by a turn 3 polukranos or a stormbreath dragon in similar speed which seems to be the meta game at the moment
October 18, 2014 3:08 p.m.
Ancient_Sentinel says... #21
@cjk191997 I don't see how Negate will stop either of those threats... Whatever Negate might be able to stop, so can Stubborn Denial . However, Disdainful Stroke seems like a good idea. Pillar of Light deals with Polukranos, World Eater while Singing Bell Strike is good against Stormbreath Dragon . I also like Voyage's End to ruin their day after they go monstrous ;).
October 18, 2014 3:57 p.m.
EvilKidsMeal says... #22
@Ancient_Sentinel You're right about Negate and Stubborn Denial But the fact that it can be stopped with tapping one colorless mana is a great downfall, id choose negate over it.
October 18, 2014 5:57 p.m.
Ancient_Sentinel says... #23
@EvilKidsMeal I totally agree with the above statement, but I feel that the tempo that comes from your opponent trying to play around Stubborn Denial is amazing. I run 2x Stubborn Denial and 2x Negate in my sideboard, because I feel like when your opponent has to play everything a turn later, you can get an "extra" turn. Negate is still good as backup though, to do most of the heavy lifting. But in a competitive scene, the edge the Stubborn Denial gives not only in reality, but also psychologically, is massive, and definitely worth a shot. This maybe an exaggeration, but you get the point. Having an "extra" turn in addition to consistently winning turn 5-6 makes this deck almost as fast as RDW in the format. That's pretty friggin' fast. (I know these things; I play Modern RDW, and you finish the game and wait around for hours between rounds. It's fast.)
October 18, 2014 7:45 p.m.
EvilKidsMeal says... #24
@Ancient_Sentinel I see your point, and i never really thought of it that way. Thats some good food for thought.
hassankachal says... #1
It's a good deck, though, probably better than mine.
October 16, 2014 9:16 a.m.