Building a New, Crueler Meta (!!SUGGESTIONS!!)
Modern
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AngryBearTony says... #2
This is a nicely put together deck. It should be tons smoother with the Damnation. I agree regarding Far / Away. Very nice replacement. Not too sure I can think of much else, but like it a lot. +1
June 2, 2015 6:36 p.m.
Breaksk8r1992 says... #3
I'd swap out the Shadow of Doubt for Olivia Voldaren. I played 2x Shadow of Doubt maindeck in Grixis Delver and Grixis Control, and while I loved being on the play, and the end of my T2, casting it in respons to their fetchland, 95% of the time it was just really underwhelming, especially with Scapeshift decks going down in popularity. The only things it would be good for really right now are U/W Tron and the fringey Gifts decks, and there are better answers to those. Don't get me wrong, Shadow of Doubt is a pet card of mine, and if you love playing it then I say keep on because having fun is the most important thing, but I feel that it would be the best thing to swap for Olivia. If you want to swap it out, you can always put it in your sideboard over Illness in the Ranks. You shouldn't really need illness with all the sweepers you already have in main and sideboard. Also, you might want to try out Slagstorm over Anger of the Gods. There aren't many cards played atm with regenerate, and Slagstorm gives you the option to damage all players including any planeswalkers out on the field (at the small cost of 3 damage to yourself, it seems worth it to me)
June 2, 2015 7:31 p.m.
Breaksk8r1992 I made the switch. I might try out Slagstorm, but I am going to use Anger of the Gods until I can trade or maybe buy one. The one problem with switching out Shadow of Doubt is now I feel like I don't have enough draw.
June 2, 2015 7:51 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #5
Try adding Serum Visions or Jace, Memory Adept if you need more draw. They're very good.
June 2, 2015 7:53 p.m.
Figag I have a Jace, Memory Adept or two, and I want serum visions but what would you suggest replacing.
June 2, 2015 7:54 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #7
I meant if you pull the Shadow of Doubt and then feel you need more draw, Jace and Visions are great replacements. I forgot about Olivia though. Maybe pull Cruel Ultimatum and Shadow of Doubt to put it Jace, Memory Adept and 1 Olivia Voldaren?
June 2, 2015 8:03 p.m.
Breaksk8r1992 says... #8
If you feel like you need more draw power, -2 Diabolic Tutor ((having to pay 4mana during your mainphase to put something topdeck is really not very good, especially in control where you'd rather keep mana open unless you're doing something with board presence) -1 Geth's Verdict (Geist of Saint Traft, Thrun, the Last Troll, and Dragonlord Ojutai are the only creatures that see a decent amount of play that can't be taken out with Terminate, and they're generally fringe played. You can always side it in against Bogles of course, but I feel that sweepers are better there anyways.) For either 3x Serum Visions, 2x Serum Visions and 1x Cruel Ultimatum, or 2x Anticipate and 1x Cruel Ultimatum. Card advantage is super important for control decks after all haha. Also, here's a fun Cruel Control deck I've been playing at FNM just for fun. It's actually fairly competetive too, but mainly just fun .
June 2, 2015 8:14 p.m.
For your build probably Stormbreath, but I think Thundermaw is better in modern. I can't help, but feel your build will just get out tempo'd in a competitive modern meta.
June 5, 2015 2:47 p.m.
How does Terminate get around Thrunn? You can't target him..
June 11, 2015 2:40 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #13
Disclaimer: I don't know that much about Modern (not a format I play too often), but just in general Magic terms, this deck seems oddly unfocused. There are a lot of "solution" 1-ofs, which seem like they would not surface at the right time, and you don't have THAT much filtering to be able to find them at the right time. I'd try consolidating the many 1-ofs into a couple sets of 3- or 4-ofs.
What purpose does one copy of Jace serve here? He in particular doesn't seem fitted at all. Now, Jace, the Mind Sculptor fits in anything, but...
June 14, 2015 11:51 p.m.
Daedalus19876 What do you mean by unfocused? I can fit almost all of the deck into a few categories, counter, removal, and wincon. About the 1-ofs, many of the 1-ofs are expensive wincons (I usually want to draw into them and not have multiples) or are cards that are useful in some situations but not as much as a card such as Lightning Bolt. Take for example Spell Pierce, it is useful against most decks but it isn't really a card I want 3-4 of. Now about jace, I am a control deck so his +1 is very useful in keeping down damage, his -2 helps a great deal with digging for wincons or specific answers, or helps find lands if I am being mana screwed. What would you suggest I change in the deck to make it more focused?
June 15, 2015 9:40 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #15
I'm actually not particularly arguing against any individual card in the deck. I agree that for finishers in a control deck you should only have one or two copies to avoid drawing multiples.
But several single-copy cards are not finishers, particularly Kolaghan's Command, Spell Pierce, Counterflux, and Dismember. These are all cards meant to disrupt the opponent in specific ways, yet having a single copy of them is nearly useless, since you rarely have them when you need them.
You should either sideboard them in when you need them so that you can have access to a full set of each without sacrificing slots, or cut several of them to add more copies of one or two.
And I'm still unconvinced about Jace. His +1 can be iffy depending on the deck you're playing against. If you want him for his -2, it's strictly much worse than Gifts Ungiven and will probably only get used once in most normal games, so why not play the epic sorcery itself? And I doubt his ultimate will ever be used. And finally, the same logic applies as above. He's not a finisher, and he's only got one copy so you're unlikely to draw him at the right time to make a difference.
Back when Alara was in standard, I played Lavaclaw Reaches...very briefly. It's fragile, has no evasion, hurts you a lot if it bites a kill spell after pumping mana into it, and when it dies you lose a land. I'd either remove it entirely or switch it for another Creeping Tar Pit.
And finally, it's odd seeing so many different win conditions. You say you don't want to draw one multiple times, but if you draw multiple different wincons, it's still a waste. Stormbreath Dragon seems weakest of the ones you have; might want to switch him for something else - another counterspell of some kind? Or heck, a Steel Hellkite can hit very, very hard against any token strategy.
I do hope I'm being helpful. Feel free to disregard my advice; as I said, I'm not very in tune with the meta in modern these days.
June 15, 2015 5:32 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #16
I disagree on Jace. His +1 is fantastic against tokens, abzan, even aggro strategies to some extent. The about Jace is that he's almost always useful. Either he stops their aggro strategy with his +1, or his -2 allows you to dig for a larger answer for the slower midrange or control mirror decks. His -8 is a game winner in control mirror or tron and it's not unlikely to get to 8 loyalty in those matchups.
Otherwise, yeah the other singletons should go. You don't have enough creatures for Kolaghan's Command, Counterflux is strictly sideboard material, but Dismember and Spell Pierce are actually pretty useful generally speaking, but I'd still cut Spell Pierce because you are also trying to run Mana Leak. Go for Dispel, Negate, or Countersquall instead. Dismember is a good choice for Infect, but sadly is worse than Terminate elsewhere. I like the singleton though.
You're right about Lavaclaw Reaches. I'd cut it altogether and not add another Tar Pit because 2 is plenty.
And yes, Stormbreath Dragon is bad, but Steel Hellkite is no better. I'd say add 1 more Jace instead. Jace is just so good.
June 15, 2015 8:17 p.m.
Figag I agree with almost all of what you said, but there are a few points where I dont. Yes, jace is amazing and I dont think I will cut him. Whenever I draw him he is useful, in any matchup. About the singletons, Kolaghan's Command is just so versatile and is also never really a dead card. Now I do agree about Counterflux, but for games that go long sometimes I need a hard counter to deal with their big cards and I cannot afford Cryptic Command (once I can, Counterflux and Cruel Ultimatum will come out for two copies). I am not sure about Stormbreath Dragon but he does dodge Path to Exile and is a great mana sink late game. With the Lavaclaw Reaches, it is there purely for budget reasons. I don't actually have the Creeping Tar Pits so I have those in their place.
June 16, 2015 8:07 a.m.
thechristophershow says... #18
I'm confused how Terminate can "get past cards like Thrun, the Last Troll." Thrun says it "can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control." Terminate is a spell, and it does target. But since Thrun can't be targeted by spells, how can Terminate, a spell, target it?
November 21, 2015 4:06 a.m.
BrandonJamesCAC says... #19
Looks good.
Not loving Jace in Cruel Control though. Or Anger of the Gods
I would run Damnation
Or Languish and
RADiO says... #1
Breaksk8r1992 Yes, I have been considering Olivia Voldaren and she seems like she would fit well in the deck. What do you suggest taking out to make room for her? Thanks!
Figag Yeah I am going to take out Illness once I get some more pieces for the sideboard. I still need the spellskites. About the Geth's Verdict, Far / Away does seem very good. I hadn't seen that card before. I will definitely put it in the sideboard, and once I get it, replace Geth's Verdict in the mainboard. Thanks!
June 1, 2015 8:05 p.m.