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rlowry93 says... #1

I understand Boros Charm and the other spells only target a player and Spellskite is a creature, but Spellskite states ''Change a target of target spell or ability to Spellskite.'' A player is still a target, is it not? So Spellskites ability would still apply to changing the target of target spell to Spellskite regardless if the spell targets players or not. Shall we call a Judge? lol

July 15, 2015 3:03 p.m.

114.6. Some effects allow a player to change the target(s) of a spell or ability, and other effects allow a player to choose new targets for a spell or ability.

114.6a If an effect allows a player to change the target(s) of a spell or ability, each target can be changed only to another legal target. If a target cant be changed to another legal target, the original target is unchanged, even if the original target is itself illegal by then. If all the targets arent changed to other legal targets, none of them are changed.

114.6b If an effect allows a player to change a target of a spell or ability, the process described in rule 114.6a is followed, except that only one of those targets may be changed (rather than all of them or none of them).

July 16, 2015 3:18 a.m.

@rlowry93

It is true that the player is still a target. But as stated on the rules, the target must be legal. Lava Spike can only target creatures, therefore is not a legal target for Spellskite.

An interesting note about Boros Charm is that while skite can't redirect the 4 damage mode or the indestructible mode, it can target the double-strike mode.

July 16, 2015 3:26 a.m.

rlowry93 says... #4

@koth_of_the_bummer i have been bamboozled by Spellskite for a while now. thank you for the clearing of the rules. much appreciated

July 16, 2015 12:16 p.m.

Kjartan says... #5

I would go 4 in 1 with Destructive Revelry/Smash to Smithereens.

August 5, 2015 7:02 a.m.

Jack-Frost says... #6

Why are you running 4 Eidolon of the Great Revel? That'll make you draw them too frequently, especially considering every card in your deck is 3 cmc or below.

January 12, 2016 9:06 a.m.

Kjartan says... #7

Jack-Frost Because him, being the burn deck, is trying to be the beatdown.

He wants to get it as often as possibe, since all he cares about, is that it deals a lot of damage for very little mana.

January 12, 2016 10:11 a.m.

@Jack-Frost

Eidolon of the Great Revel is a great card against most decks in the modern format. While it is true that it hurts the deck too, all you need to do is to play it wisely and in a timely manner. Landing it on turn 2 against control spells pretty bad against them and makes their Snapcaster Mage really bad to play (taking 4 damage). Whenever I cast Eidolon of the Great Revel, my opponent immediately gets rids of it and guarantees 2 damage out of it (which could be relevant in the damage race).

Also, I sideboard out eidolon on games 2 to 3 whenever I face the Mirror or faster decks like Affinity.

I won lots of games because of eidolon and there are times I will have 2 on the battlefield against control decks.

January 12, 2016 6:28 p.m.

Jack-Frost says... #9

Okay. I'm sure you know this a lot better than I do. It sounds like it works great and i'd hate to play against this since I typically run white weenie style decks. +1

January 12, 2016 8:17 p.m.

dantekratos says... #10

have you seen Reality Hemorrhage?

it's an awnser to opposing Kor Firewalker and Etched Champion.are you considering it for the sideboard?

January 18, 2016 4:23 a.m.

Jack-Frost says... #11

How would you counter or survive a Pyroclasm? Especially now that they printed Kozilek's Return which could come back and deal even more damage

January 18, 2016 1:16 p.m.

With Splinter Twin banned, I would be working out to update my sideboard.

@dantekratos

I'll be testing Reality Hemorrhage, although I'am looking at Pyrite Spellbomb since it can draw me a card too.

@Jack-Frost

I rarely get board wiped by Pyroclasm since, it rarely happens for me to have lots of creatures on the board (a guide or a swiftspear only sometimes). If I want my creatures to live (assuming I'm not tapped out), I can use Boros Charm indestructible mode against it. If my board is filled with Monastery Swiftspears, I can just cast Lightning Bolt in response to make them 2/3.

January 18, 2016 10:22 p.m.

Jack-Frost says... #13

True, but now that Pyroclasm is being switched out for Kozilek's Return you'll have to deal with 5 damage instead of only 2

January 19, 2016 1:10 p.m.

@Jack-Frost

True, but the deck doesn't really mind getting board-wiped. First, most of them have haste, therefore already dealt damage to my opponent, even if they got killed. Also, while burn does rely sometimes on creature damage, it's the burn spells like Lightning Bolt is what matters the most.

As I mentioned, you can still save them using Boros Charm's indestructible mode if you wish for your creatures to survive any board-wipes (as long as it's not an exile effect).

January 19, 2016 6:30 p.m.

Kjartan says... #15

Molten Rain could be a replacement, for battling tron and Mono B Eldrazi.

January 19, 2016 6:37 p.m.

Jack-Frost says... #16

koth_of_the_bummer I thought as much. I was going to also mention Reality Hemorrhage primarily for the fact that I expect it to see a lot of play especially since it bypasses Kor Firewalker's ability.

January 19, 2016 10:37 p.m.

jazzarazza says... #17

Eidolon of the Great Revel and Volcanic Fallout are pretty much masochistic.

stop it.

You're only hurting yourself.

Why would you do that?

What's wrong with you?

Apart from that its pretty much zoo without Kird Ape and Wild Nacatl. Why the hell is there no Wild Nacatl. Honestly that's just depressing.Just stick to the basic naya zoo or naya burn dude.Imma gonna give you a +1 anyway tho coz its an alright deck.

March 7, 2016 5:42 a.m.

Kjartan says... #18

jazzarazza - You're trolling, right?

RIGHT???

March 7, 2016 7:14 a.m.

jazzarazza says... #19

yes,

but im kinda salty coz i playtested it against a friend and Volcanic Fallout boardwiped me, before Eidolon of the Great Revel hit me for critical. And i'm not kidding about the usefulness of Wild Nacatl. just sayin.

March 7, 2016 6:21 p.m.

Kjartan says... #20

Mate, you are looking at a top teir modern deck. Which is top teir because Eidolon of the Great Revel is broken.

If we don't count Eldrazi, it's easily the second best deck in the format.

March 7, 2016 6:46 p.m.

There are two versions of Naya Burn, one with Nacatl and one without - and this one is Nya Burn without Nacatl. I'm fully aware of Nacatl since I used to include but I've removed it since it's becoming more of a liability to me due to it not having haste. Fetching into shocking for 6 damage on the first two turns just for Nacatl is really painful and what's worse, it's getting bolted or removed by the opponent even before it can swing.

Also, Zoo is very much different from Burn Decks, while it is true that they have similarities in card choices. Zoo inclines more of aggro beatdown using creatures, while Burn makes most of Instant and Sorcery spells.

Here's the Modern Burn discussion Forum in MTGSalvation

March 7, 2016 7:38 p.m.

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